Pirates of the Carribean 2

[ylekot43]

Oh -- my -- god. After seeing this film I have lost all faith in hollywood. Actually, Pirates is an accurate name for the movie because it stole my eight dollars and three-hours from my life.

Can anyone find me the original script for this? -- I refuse to believe it could be anywhere near what I saw on the big screen last night.

[nerium]

There's a large thread just a few pages back (http://messageboard.donedealpro.com/boards/showthread.php?t=22248) that discusses PotC 2 and the various reactions. I don't think another one is all the necessary in the movies forum. Plus, given the Box Office, you're somewhat in the minority...

As far as the script goes, this is the only one I've found. (http://www.the-editing-room.com/?script=pirates2)

[Adam Isaac]

Yep, you're in the minority, dude.

[Joe Unidos]

Oh, they made a sequel? I hadn't heard about it.

:D


Rossio and Elliot like to go big, big, big. I don't always agree with their choices but (of late) America does. Good for them. I've heard grumbling that a lot of the bloat was due to insufficient editing time --despite huge location set-backs, they were locked-in to the release date.

An aside --I spent a week once arguing on a message board about POTC before realizing the joker I was debating was talking about Passion of the Christ, not Pirates of the Caribbean.

[prescribe22]

An aside --I spent a week once arguing on a message board about POTC before realizing the joker I was debating was talking about Passion of the Christ, not Pirates of the Caribbean.


:rolling:

[vmf]

Plus, given the Box Office, you're somewhat in the minority...

Whoa, what a bizarre statement. I enjoyed parts of Pirates 2, but found it a pretty average time-waster that was definitely written down for the kiddies, and certainly inferior to the original.

But how does box office enter into this? I don't remember getting offered a refund for the movie if I didn't like it.

[Joe Unidos]

:rolling:

I guess I know why he got so mad when I wrote that "I thought the supernatural concept was childish and made it hard for a rational adult to take the story seriously."

[Joe Unidos]

Whoa, what a bizarre statement. I enjoyed parts of Pirates 2, but found it a pretty average time-waster that was definitely written down for the kiddies, and certainly inferior to the original.

But how does box office enter into this? I don't remember getting offered a refund for the movie if I didn't like it.

Without triggering a soon-to-be-locked argument, I would volunteer that the record opening and, as importantly, the continued huge box office since make it hard to say seriously that America hasn't responded favorably to the film.

[vmf]

Hey, we can disagree. I went to see it because I highly enjoyed the original, but I guess there are those with precognitive abilities that would realize they'd enjoy POTC2 long before ever entering the theatre.

Other than those lucky mediums and fortune tellers, I put it down to Summer Sequelitis and an almost total lack of any real competition.

[nerium]

No need to lock the thread- It was just a throwaway comment in the vein of $$$=bottom line; as a general consensus, but I would echo Joe Unidos' comment.

The thread seemed to start on a 'Let's bash...' note - and being seperate from the original thread I didn't think it was necessary, so I wasn't going to start arguing the merit here. There was plenty of difference of opinion in the original thread without bloodshed. Why clutter things up with another thread?

[whistlelock]

You know, I am reminded of Back to the Future. The second movie wasn't near as good as the first, but the third one didn't suck as much as the second.

That'll probably the case here too. PotC2 will probably be eveyone's least favorite of the series.

[alipali]

Plus, given the Box Office, you're somewhat in the minority...

It was a gyp.

Pirates traded heavily on the goodwill of the original. The lack of serious competition bolstered its numbers.

It's like suggesting we actually like watching TV because we watch it.

You're wrong with a capital R, my friend.

[Geevie]

It was a gyp.

Pirates traded heavily on the goodwill of the original. The lack of serious competition bolstered its numbers.

It's like suggesting we actually like watching TV because we watch it.

You're wrong with a capital R, my friend.

What he's saying is if that was the majority opinion, word of mouth would have killed the momentum.

DMC continues to knock the competition dead weeks after its release. Some might suggest that's because the new releases are crap, but seriously. IF DMC was so truly awful why would anyone waste the $10 to see it (again) simply because the other offerings were so pitiful?

Are we going to start blaming obsessive compulsive cinema attendance now?

[jellyjilly]

Well, ylekot43 is in a minority of two, at any rate.

I agree that this crummy movie fell back on the goodwill of the first. If it had come on its own -- even if the plot were rejiggered so it could be a standalone -- it would sink. So many things were wrong with it.

Compulsive movie attendance just might explain some of its apparent popularity. I see a movie a week religiously, and if there's nothing new I want to see, I see something I've already seen. That happened with POTC2, which I re-saw because I enjoyed Davey Jones, and I thought I might as well see the parts I'd slept through in my first viewing (I slept through different parts in viewing #2).

[tabula rasa]

Ha! Given the $$$ and joy that movie is raking in ... you're in the wrong Business, comrade.

If you wanna discuss it in terms of ART ... hey, to each their own.

You want a great line of dialogue, you got Shakespeare ... and then you got "Pirate" ... Depp sneering into Keira's face and then it turns into a smile as wise and wicked and finally loving as any yet written.

[Geevie]

Well, ylekot43 is in a minority of two, at any rate.

I agree that this crummy movie fell back on the goodwill of the first. If it had come on its own -- even if the plot were rejiggered so it could be a standalone -- it would sink. So many things were wrong with it.

Compulsive movie attendance just might explain some of its apparent popularity. I see a movie a week religiously, and if there's nothing new I want to see, I see something I've already seen. That happened with POTC2, which I re-saw because I enjoyed Davey Jones, and I thought I might as well see the parts I'd slept through in my first viewing (I slept through different parts in viewing #2).

So there are so many things wrong with it that it would "sink" had there not been an original movie, but you still spent money... TWICE... to see it?

And the movie is the problem?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay.

[wcmartell]

Exit polls. 97% of the folks leaving the cinema after seeing the film liked it. A large % (I think it was 72%, but I'm too lazy to look it up) said they will buy the DVD when it is released - they liked the film that much. People are seeing it a second time - instead of seeing a new release film.

There seem to be a lot of screenwriters and film critics in the 3%.

- Bill

[jellyjilly]

So there are so many things wrong with it that it would "sink" had there not been an original movie, but you still spent money... TWICE... to see it?

And the movie is the problem?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay.

Yes. Read my post. I go to a movie once a week no matter what. (I planned all along to see this movie regardless of the reviews.) I thought the bad ones were justified. I slept through parts of POTC2 the first time. There was nothing else I wanted to see the next week, so I saw some more of POTC2 and slept through some more of it. Woke up for Davey Jones. I still say the movie sucks, and my non-writing, non-critic friends agree.

[Geevie]

Yes. Read my post. I go to a movie once a week no matter what. (I planned all along to see this movie regardless of the reviews.) I thought the bad ones were justified. I slept through parts of POTC2 the first time. There was nothing else I wanted to see the next week, so I saw some more of POTC2 and slept through some more of it. Woke up for Davey Jones. I still say the movie sucks, and my non-writing, non-critic friends agree.

I didn't say I doubted what you said. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I only shell out money on movies I think I would like (first time) or did like (second time).

I've seen it three times and I'd go see it again. I don't think it sucks, and all *my* non writing, non critic friends and family agree.

Some even go with me when I go back.

So.... {shrug}... to each their own.

[Geevie]

Exit polls. 97% of the folks leaving the cinema after seeing the film liked it. A large % (I think it was 72%, but I'm too lazy to look it up) said they will buy the DVD when it is released - they liked the film that much. People are seeing it a second time - instead of seeing a new release film.

There seem to be a lot of screenwriters and film critics in the 3%.

- Bill
{in my best Norrington voice} So it would seem.

[jellyjilly]

I didn't say I doubted what you said. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I only shell out money on movies I think I would like (first time) or did like (second time).

I've seen it three times and I'd go see it again. I don't think it sucks, and all *my* non writing, non critic friends and family agree.

Some even go with me when I go back.

So.... {shrug}... to each their own.

Well, that makes sense. I often go to the movies just to get out of the house, but I agree it also makes sense to shell out money on things you like.

Didn't you see a huge difference, though, between the quality of the first Pirates and the second? So much dialogue in this one was expository, and not only that, it was characters essentially explaining the PLOT to each other! Where was the passion, the quest for freedom, the love of the pirates' life, romance, whatever? I remember Elizabeth Swann SAYING once "I'm so ready to be married," but I didn't see this. She was sword-fighting and jumping around and having a great time, not looking at babies and getting fed up with hard tack.

Stuff happened, fruit kebab, hammerhead guy, yadda yadda. Huge low-point for me when the final swordfight was started because after all this running around the Caribbean, Jack says we don't stab Davey Jones's heart because the Kraken is still at large and is aiming for Jack. Stupid little logic tic at the 11th hour. Why wouldn't the Kraken die, or lose its sense of purpose, or forget its errand, what with its master dead? These sorts of dumb little "twists," brought on mostly by accident or spur-of-the-moment invention, seemed to drive the plot, instead of people's burning desires and essential conflicts! It left me cold.

[Geevie]

It wasn't technically perfect, no - but neither was the first one.

My biggest complaint was the time it took to get the story going. I even felt like it was the plot might have been hidden in the dead man's chest. I was having fun, but my internal screenwriting auditor was trying to tick off critical pacing landmarks and unable to do so. (In my third viewing I even noted it was about an hour into it before we even see Davy Jones).

When it ended, though, and I realized what role this movie was supposed to play in the trilogy, I was able to let go of that and just have fun with it. It was like a roller coaster in the dark. I couldn't see where I was headed, but I was having so much fun I didn't have much time to worry about it.

[Daniel Oborne]

I remember Elizabeth Swann SAYING once "I'm so ready to be married," but I didn't see this. She was sword-fighting and jumping around and having a great time, not looking at babies and getting fed up with hard tack.

Her saying she was ready to be married, as should be clear by the tone of Jack's following statement ("I could marry you right now... on this deck") ain't got nothing to do with having babies - she just wants some good pirate lovin'.

Other than that-

Yes, it earns points from our memory of the first film (and it was always going to: IT'S A SEQUEL), which, while it wasn't perfect, was a lot of fun: people liked hanging out with Cap'n Jack. This film kept the fun going. Yes, there's a lot of physical setpieces; yes, there's quite a few bits where the plot gets a tiny bit confusing; but, sod it - we're here, and we're having a good time.

And who wouldn't? The film suggests that Will might be happier at sea then with Elizabeth; that Elizabeth might be happier with Cap'n Jack than with Will: the relationships we understood from the first film are being undermined by the compass, and that allows us to see where things might go differently, and that's enjoyable, to say the least.

[ylekot43]

What I'm saying is that this film could not possibly echo the original script. It deviates from any sense of being a stand-alone film in too many places and I just really doubt that a professional would do exposition like there was in this film.

I loved the original and saw this one based on that fact alone (and because when we went we thought Talladega Nights was already out).

As a side note, people leaving the theatre were grumbling quite heartily.

[Adam Isaac]

May have seemed like a lot, but they're still in that 3%.

I'll agree with you on one note, ylekot43; this film does not 'stand alone.' What it does is set-up the third film.

This isn't another MATRIX trilogy here. What we have is a sequel that sets up quite a lot of information that will guide us into the third film. The original of this series will ALWAYS be considered the premier installment of this franchise, but-and I'm speaking for myself here-that's not enough pirates for me.

Pirates are probably the most fascinating subject-NAY-the most fascinating subject matter in Hollywood today. We're talking about Walt Disney here too. My only gripe is with the critics and writers who claim it to be garbage is: do they really know what real garbage is?

SIN-F*CKING-BAD OF THE NEW ERA. That's all. An entertainment fest loaded with strange; yet interesting characters on the Seven Seas. Fun subplots and original stories come into play as well. I'm sorry, but none of you can beat that...and that goes for myself as well.