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Richard Spaulding
02-17-2004, 05:29 PM
In my humble opinion, there is an absence of subtext and underlying drama in current films, and in many of the screenplays I've been reading. It seems that films become more shallow with each passing year. Plot structure, format, and entertainment value are important, but they're not everything. To correct this, I offer the following suggestions to screenwriters and playwrights:

1) Study acting. Not to become actors, but to learn what the acting process is, how characters are motivated and how stories are told. Acting is an emotional process. It comes out of the central nervous system. Acting zeroes in on the gist of a story like a heat-sinking missile. It is the business of actors to interpret writing. Reading books about acting is okay, but it's not good enough. You need to interact with living actors who speak dialog, express feelings, and who discern meaning. I never met a writer who did not enjoy working with actors. Even if it's only one workshop, or two workshops, or an entire semester, your writing will benefit a hundred times over by learning the actor's process. It will change forever how you write. The author who does not study acting is HANDICAPPED at the start.

2) When you have a first draft, hold a round-table discussion with a group of experienced, professional actors. You're mom and dad aren't qualified. Supply refreshments, notepads and pens. Give each actor a hardcopy of the script, and read it all the way through. Appoint someone to read the loglines and description -- not the author, who should be busy listening. Allow for pauses while actors make notes.

After the reading, go back over the first act, then ask each actor in turn for their scene analysis. That's SCENE ANALYSIS. By this time they'll be straining at the bit to tell you what they think. Welcome the discussion that follows. Encourage each actor to have his or her say. Follow this procedure for the first half of the second act, the second half of the second act, and the third act. Listen to the actors. They offer insights that a writer needs to hear. Take copious notes, writing directly on your hardcopy of the script.

Remember, you will fail to comprehend an actor's contribution if you don't speak the same language. Study acting before you hold a script reading. The actors you meet will probably be glad to read for you. Scene analysis sharpens an actor's skills, and they enjoy doing it.

3) Now go home and write the next draft, implementing all the useful suggestions you've been given. You may not be able to use all of it, you may disagree with some of it, but make no mistake, you'll have a substantial body of constructive criticism to work with. By the time you complete a second draft, you may be surprised at how far you've come from the first draft. Now it's time to hold another round-table discussion with a different group of experienced, professional actors. Repeat the process.

Actors are usually hard on themselves and on the writing, but not unreasonably. Don't let your feelings be hurt, they do this to each other all the time. As the author, you are not expected to defend or apologize for what you've written. Take it in stride. Remember to thank the actors for their generosity. What they know and contribute was earned the hard way.

4) Write good roles for actors and actresses. Most actors I know are screaming for good writing. They want characters who challenge them and give them something to do. Want to get an agent? Want to get a name attached to your script? Want to be produced? Write good roles for actors and actresses.

5) Don't depend entirely on the internet for feedback. I suggest you hold script reads with actors before posting sides for other writers to read. Make sure you implement changes from both actors and fellow writers before you submit your script to producers and agents.

You will find that not only has your grasp of drama grown, your writing improved, and your self-confidence boosted, but so has your reputation as a professional. Producers and agents will be more receptive to your work. Directors will start taking you seriously. Celebrity actors will recognize your name as the writer whose work they should consider reading. Nothing impresses a star more than a writer who knows how to deliver a character that will advance their careers.

Richard

TwoBrad Bradley
02-17-2004, 07:06 PM
Richard, all good advice.

It may not be as difficult to start this process as one would think.

If you live in a city large enough to have actor's workshops, contact them and ask if you can bring them a few scenes.

Then sit in the back and keep quiet. You'll be amazed at the way the director and actors work through your pages.

I saw one exercise where one actor would read his lines and the other actor (without reading his lines) would just react. Then they would switch. It's amazing how little can be said and still the story moves forward.

When it's all done then you ask about bringing in a complete script and maybe taking a more active role in the process.

You can start small, or start big. But don't pass up a valuable learning opportunity.

April Hamilton
02-17-2004, 09:34 PM
Something tells me this Spaulding guy is an actor. :)

Richard Spaulding
02-17-2004, 09:39 PM
No.

I work with actors and writers all the time, but no one has ever accused me of being an actor.

Until now.

Richard

kcshc
02-17-2004, 10:21 PM
Richard - welcome to the DD stage...and thanks for the great suggestions. :)

I'd love to do something like that, and maybe, one day I might get the chance. DV

In the meantime, back to the grind...

peasblossom
02-24-2004, 04:36 PM
This could have been one reason Shakespeare's writing is genius - it went through this kind of crucible all the time. Good idea, Richard.
-Sandy

Richard Spaulding
02-26-2004, 10:41 AM
A crucible?
An exercise yes, but not a crucible!

I know that Robert Towne, the author of CHINATOWN and THE LAST DETAIL and MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, and William Goldman, who wrote BUTCH CASSIDY & THE SUNDANCE KID and THE PRINCESS BRIDE among others, studied acting. They also hold script reads. In fact Towne studied acting with Jack Nicholson and Bob Rafelson, which is how their creative association started. They are first and foremost writers, but their writing is informed by experience with the other disciplines.

Script reads are not only about dialogue. Actors may also offer observations on plot development and structure, character motivation and arc, the underlying theme, how the whole things plays out. At my script reads we pantomime the action to see how it plays. We try out gesture and body language, if the script lends itself to suggesting the physicality.

True, I've seen some writers ripped apart for bad or inconsistent writing. Whether or not a writer chooses to learn from that is another matter. But everybody takes part in a spirit of good will and mutual support.

You get substantial feedback, but nobody tells you what to write or how to write it. You'll receive plenty of suggestions, bu you still make your own decisions. You still have to write the script. No one else can do that for you. A script read is just another tool at the writer's disposal.

Richard

esdavis88
02-26-2004, 12:37 PM
I agree Richard. Currently the writing group I am in holds a table reading once a month where we have actors come in, read the script out loud, then afterwards we have a discussion about it.

It's been the best thing for my writing, as well as watching others go through it. It's helped out tremendously.

I was pleasantly surprised to see how well these actors can dissect a script. How much they knew about story, plot, and character. Whenever we have our post reading discussions they don't shut up. They will keep spitting out ideas until we throw them out. It's a great thing.

This spring we will hold our first Staged Reading and are hoping to take this experience to the next level.

I highly recommend it.

d

peasblossom
02-27-2004, 04:51 AM
You must know different actors than I do! When I was in theatre school (yes, I'm an actor too - unpaid, at the moment), I passed around one of my scripts. Got some good comments, and also some not so good ones. But, to be fair, the script did need work. My main point here is, be prepared for some very succinct, strong opinions on what is wrong with the script - hence my use of the word "crucible".

-Sandy

Richard Spaulding
02-27-2004, 01:02 PM
peasblossom,

I hope they weren't comparing you to Shakespeare.
Thould would be harsh.

Actually, I did see a film recently that I thought the writing was worthy of Shakespeare, that was GODS AND GENERALS. But mine is a minority opinion.

Did you read that book on film directing by Sidney Lumet ? He had some insights to offer about actors who also write. I forget what he said exactly, but I remember that I agreed with it.

Richard

peasblossom
02-28-2004, 06:43 AM
Actually, they were my profs! The impromtu reading took place without me, and then I got some verbal notes - kind of at a disadvantage there. I'm sure that with the right group of actors it can be quite helpful. My daughter is also an actress (unpaid - normal state for actor/actresses?), and will help me when my dialog gets out of whack. The best advice I ever got from another actor about scripts was on my first script. I was using such proper English that when read aloud it sounded ludicrous. They said, "use contractions!" Simple fix, but very effective.
I'll check out the Lumet book, sounds fascinating. Maybe Gods and Monsters too, since his Gandalf performance has made me an Ian McKellan fan.
-Sandy

Richard Spaulding
02-29-2004, 03:08 AM
Sandy

Not GODS AND MONSTERS! No!

I said GODS AND GENERALS.
A classical tragedy about the American civil war.
Writing worthy of Shakespeare.
Try it you'll like it.

GroundlingCom
02-29-2004, 03:20 AM
I've mentioned before that the best writing class I ever had used one of Stanislavsky's acting books as a primary text.

(As a tangent keeping in the spirit of the Shakespearean comments above, another text book we used was the out-of-print "Screenwriting: A Method", by Stephen Geller or "Slaughterhouse Five" fame. It was refreshing in that, rather than pulling examples of writing concept from films, Geller made very heavy use of Shakespeare to illustrate modern techniques.)

peasblossom
02-29-2004, 05:52 AM
Ah, thank you! I was not really looking forward to wading through Gods and Monsters, no matter how much I admire Ian McKellan's acting talent.
-Sandy

ShadowFormer
08-17-2004, 05:40 AM
Whoa-there,

I once had an advanced amateur group read one of my short screenplays. Great for sorting out lengthy dialogue problems, but horrendous when an actor is supposed to be delivering those lines on the hoof or when action visuals are an essential part of that dialogue delivery. Try delivering lines which depend on action as part of the overall scene when you are sitting round a table in a darkened room - unless, of course, the screenplay is a talky piece like 'Who's Afraid Of Virginia Wolfe' or 'Bridges of Madison County'.

I'm sorry to disagree, but screenplays cannot be read in the same way that stage plays are read. The two processes are very different, as you will know if you have ever written for the stage. However, I am not against feedback from actors who, after all, are the front line characters of our creations.

Shadow

Winter in New York
08-17-2004, 03:54 PM
As an ex prof actor (3 years full time training) with several features behind him, I'll throw some thoughts into the mix.

1: getting actors to read your script is a great idea. However, get PROFESSIONAL, TRAINED actors only. If you don't know any, advertise. Trained / professional actors are everywhere. Getting amateur actors to read your script is a dangerous, dangerous thing, as - among other things - your great dialog, read badly by people who can't act, can really strike hard at your confidence. And will often prompt you to change things that do not need changing.

2: Book the read (if on an evening) "5.30 for 6". Email this to everybody the day before. This is an old theater trick. It means, in a nut-shell, that rehearsal actually starts at 6pm. And I mean STARTS. So, if you (speaking to the actor) want to catch up on the gossip, or chat or whatever, with the other actors, you turn up at 5.30 and do it for 30 minutes. But come Hell or high water, the reading kicks off at 6 pm on the dot.

3: Cough up some token payment for them. $25 a head or something. Pay cash in hand at the end of the reading. 6 actors, doubling up on roles where necessary. Invest in your script. Invest in yourself.

4: Supply food! Get a couple of pizzas delivered half way through the night (end of the 1st read is a good time). Supply soft-drinks. Munchies. Be thoughtful and grateful to them giving you an evening of their time.

5: Read the stage direction yourself ONLY if you can do it well. If you can't read out loud BRILLIANTLY - assign the voice of the narrator to one of the actors.

6: Record the reading on video. Just a locked off camera in a wide shot is fine. Just so long as you can see all the actors faces. Trust me, when you watch it again later (and you will !!!), you'll pick up things in your script that you missed on the night.

7: Do 1 read STRAIGHT THROUGH, NO STOPPING. Get the actors to make notes themselves as they go along (but make sure they don't miss their cues). Then discuss the script AT THE END of the read.

8: If doing it in the evening, and you kick off at 6 pm, it should be about 8-8.30 pm now. If everybody is looking tired. Thank them for their time and send them home. But, if everybody is really 'into' it, do a 2nd read. This one with you playing director, stopping and starting the read to give notes / getting feedback, as you go.

9: KEEP EVERYBODY FOCUSED ON THE JOB AT HAND. This is YOUR main job. Your hardest job. Everybody is not there to chat about what audition they had that day. What movie they saw on the weekend, etc. Note: actors are a lot easier to 'control' if they're being paid. (yup, even $25)

10: Pay everybody on the way out. Cash. In a closed envelope with their name on it.

11: Make sure you send a thank you email to everybody (or make a call) THE NEXT DAY. Do this, and they'll be more than happy to help you out again on your next script / draft.

Hope that helps.

Winter in New York

Postal Pictures
08-17-2004, 03:55 PM
I recommend DIRECTING for some writers. Especially, short films just so you get to know what actors do and how they do it. You'll work hand in hand with them and figure things out. I just directed a shot recently with good professional actors and it was great and their suggestions really helped the story - a lot. Richard's got great advice, but I say take it a little further than just readings - go out there and make a movie.

J off course
08-17-2004, 04:13 PM
My response to getting actors to help out like that?

They can't even get my order right!

JUST KIDDING! Actors are enormously brave souls. I love em.

Actually, when I re-read my writing, I try to figure out where the actor might take a breath. You can't have a line that needs to be smooth and its too long and the actor is gasping. If it's a tense scene I'll write long sentences that can't be broken up and still express the idea. Where an actor might take a breath also gives you a place to put some action. In soap operas, I think I've noticed that actors inhale while their character pours a drink.

Augie Kestrel
08-26-2004, 04:50 PM
Great post, WINY. I learned a lot! :)