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hang em high
08-25-2000, 07:18 PM
What is it?

How often are you in it?

Do you have any idea what it means?

For about a week i've been feeling good about my new script. The characters are finally living, and the shell, the first draft, has evolved into LIFE, the story is breathing.

As if I HAD become my characters. This feeling happened to me about a year ago, it's like seeing the seams on a baseball, or seeing through a peephole, the distorted clarity, if only for a moment.

Stuff like this happen to you people?

D.R.

Couchguy
08-25-2000, 07:39 PM
Yep.

I'll mull the story over in my head for weeks (months?), then finally sit down one night (must be after midnight) and pour about 30-40 pages out in the next 3 or 4 hours. Notecards? Can't function that way. I go back later and cut out the inevitable drivel, but...you know what? I can tell right now that I am currently NOT in the Zone, because I'm starting to ramble. Mmmm, Salma Hayek...

Your pal,
Couchguy

Tony R
08-25-2000, 11:08 PM
Off and on, Hang...when it rains it pours...from both sides.

As a pool player I've had the fortune of finding myself in "dead stroke" (pool's equivalent of "the zone") a few times and I've recognized that zen-like quality in some of my writing sessions as well...it's much the same feeling, though on quite a different level. I welcome it whenever it visits...

Daughter of Lir
08-25-2000, 11:14 PM
Hm. Well, I get in the Zone with poetry, I'm getting more in the Zone with my fiction... and I'm waiting to get kicked in the butt by the Zone with screenwriting. :\ But yes... definitely been in that Zone more than once, when all the words are singing in you and your creations are doing exactly what they should be and isnt that story just whipping right out? Great feeling, eh? :)

Cornell
08-26-2000, 08:59 AM
What is it? It's when you've finally formed a bond with the characters you've created, and they come to life in your everyday existence. It's when the "real" you becomes blinded by those make-believe characters, and you soon come to realize that sometimes your actions aren't based on your inner thoughts anymore but the characters in which you've created spill-over into your realizm. (Example: I was having trouble writing a scene (the wording) where two people are whispering. So, I went to the library, grabbed a book, and started reading. And, as I was reading, I looked over and saw two people whispering--that's when my characters came to life inside me because I started assuming that I could hear what they were saying (but I couldn't), gauging by their facial expressions. At any rate, that's when my created characters came to life and started speaking to me--needless to say, I finished that blasted scene! That's when you know you're IN IT. And, I'm not "in the zone" everyday, but whenever the feeling takes over, it's a few times a day because some "thing" or some "person" or some "place" will spur that character activity and give me the material that I need to write that day. What's it mean? Get to your computer fast!

hang em high
08-26-2000, 09:13 AM
Cornell, you complete me.

Everybody has two sides, make them both, 'exactly similar'

hang em'

Cornell
08-26-2000, 02:09 PM
Complete you? Hmmmmn...is this a compliment? Thank you--I think. If it's a hidden sarcastic remark that went flying over my head (and that can happen), well, I'm not sharing the brie and wine with you sweetness, you'll just have to drink melted snow and eat roots and berries in the boonies in Vermont! And, I just might, just might turn the soft music up loud enough for you to hear. :)

hang em high
08-26-2000, 03:29 PM
I was using a cheesy line, to hide the fact that you are
sexy in that, I can't see you way.

how bout' them apples.

ksk2
08-26-2000, 04:36 PM
When the characters/dialogue/plot is running through my head so fast that I feel like a courtroom-stenographer playing catch-up, I'm in the Zone.

When I start to write a scene and one of the characters involved raises a polite hand, or belches loudly, or pulls out a lock-blade to clean their fingernails and says...

"Uhh, sorry, but I'd never say/do that...", I'm zoning wildly.

When I'm laughing so hard at what they're saying/doing that I can't write fast enough (and need to pull out a dictaphone to catch it all), I OWN the Zone.

Which does not mean the actual finished work is worth the price of an ink-cartidge, but that's how I feel.

More-so after I edit, and "that feeling" is still there. The one where my looking at a completed scene is not so much perusing a piece of work, but gazing at a photo album of those folks you've known all too well, even if only via the process of "birthing" them.

So, when they "read" so "real" that you feel like you just stepped into your fave local tavern or got stuck at the X-Mass dinner from hell, you've "zoned-out". And deserve a cookie in your jar.

Best, kosk

Cornell
08-26-2000, 09:26 PM
Why thank you, hang 'em. Now, where are those apples I bought today.... ;)

hang em high
08-27-2000, 02:46 PM
CORNELL: The granny smiths, in the corner, next to the triscuits.

Kosk,your posts are always packed with stuf.

I feel like Matt Damon in GOOD WILL HUNTING, when he exposes that Harvard kid, in the South Bar.

I have become a knowledgeable guy just by 'regurjating' (sp) your stuff, random quotes and anecdotes are deadly, if placed at the proper time in a boring conversation.

Anyway, if you ever did get through the stuff I sent ya, feel free to give a public shout out on it's quality, or lack of it. I am prepared for the worst.

You to Ptrano - -

ksk2
08-27-2000, 04:21 PM
The "worst" is not what you need to be prepared for. I've been well-thought-of by people similar to you before; it's the way of things when travelling in my circles.

What you need to prepare for is receiving the difference between compliment and flattery, which most writers (despite protestations) rarely understand, or can emotionally accept, or deal with, with (my definition) good grace. The world has p!ssed on writers since the Elizabethan Era; whether anyone slams me for the following or not, I'll say it anyway:

Writers can take a broken septum easier than they can take a true compliment, because they're always wating for the String holding the Sword of Damocles to break. And guess who's neck is under that sword? Yours, mine and most folks here.

You have a head-shrinker in your clan. You probably know what the clinical term "Hyper-Alert" means. If not, you can ask that relative, and they'll tell you.

Due to the nature of the business, all writers are (on some level) hyper-alert. Don't believe me? Check out the DSM V.

So. I'm willing to re-read what you sent me. And comment on it. If you promise that if Steeves (or anyone else on this board who's read what you sent me) has a different or opposite opinion, you will let it slide. Meaning not reply/post to that opinion at all. Give them their say and be done with it, just like you would with Ebert if your story had been produced and released. Under that criterion, I'm willing to expound on my opinion of your work, ASSUMING that is "cool" with the moderator.

I'm not being "p!ssy"; just tryin' ta keep the peace.

Best, kosk

hang em high
08-27-2000, 04:54 PM
Kosk, if someone doesn't like my work, what am I going to do, yell at them with my words? If they feel that the script is ('whatever') then they can make there comments at will.

A bigger fool, (rides) or gets on people who have an opinion that might not be flattering.

As I've said lifes not a pillowy cloud of jellybeans and marshmallows.

I can see what is good advice or what is bad advice. My only objective is still sell my scripts, that's all.

I have my own assesments of the work. It can always get better. And if they think it sucks, who cares, i'm still waking up in the morning, Kosk, as full of myself as before.

D.R.

ksk2
08-27-2000, 05:14 PM
Well, that's good, since if you don't hold on to that "full of yourself" part, things will "slow down". And you know exactly what I mean; it's about the confidence that the buyers/consumers perceive.

Funny how Glengarry Glen Ross could be seen as a metaphor for the writing-game, hm?

Anyway, I'm gonna get my vocal-chords ready for something necessary to my toon, and look over the stuff you sent me again. It'll be a while before I get back "here" (I don't do things "off the cuff" with other folks art or writing). Do something fun; I'll be back later.

Best, kosk

Cornell
08-27-2000, 06:23 PM
Excuse me, just want to butt in for a moment....

Granny Smith Apples--found them hang 'em. A little tart...a little sweet, I like 'em like that.

Now, you guys may resume your friendly, a, er, whatever. :rollin

hang em high
08-27-2000, 06:38 PM
Real - Cornell?

TinaRM
08-27-2000, 07:40 PM
I haven't sat down to write for a couple of days - 3 actually. I've been cleaning my house. Yes, cleaning for three days.

I live with a husband, 3 kids, 3 grown basset hounds, 2 puppy basset hounds (anybody want one?), 1 english border dog and 2 cats. My house had become a dog pen! Granted all of these animals aren't in the house all the time, but they do kind of come and go - or they did, til I kicked them all out three days ago!

So, I get home from church today and I am going to sit down and write. I want to get moving on my 2nd screenplay. BUT NOOOOO - my stomach gets sick and I spend the next two hours on the sofa, popping Zantac in hopes that anything will help.

I get up and I feel great. I start writing. I'm on a roll. The story is taking shape - the characters are there - they are alive - they are taking over. Then BAM! I lose it - just like that. I get about twenty-five pages into it and then I get stuck because I can't think of how to make something work.

Maybe that's my clue to stop.

Maybe I'll just go to bed.

Later!

Tina

Cornell
08-27-2000, 08:21 PM
Real - Hang 'em.

Cornell
08-27-2000, 08:35 PM
Tina, you sound a little overworked. Been there--done that. Maybe a good night's sleep IS what you need to get the creative juices flowing again...works for me. And, as you sleep, your subconscious will be working on that script!

And, you'll rise tomorrow and do it all over again! The dusting, the sweeping, the dishes, the dogs, the cat, the script....

Have a good night.

ksk2
08-27-2000, 08:35 PM
I just finished "telling" in One on One, because that's what "this" is about. That's for you, Hang.

For others? Since One on One is ABOUT that (2 people from "here" shooting at the 8-ball despite "a lotta green"), I'd reeeeeeespectfully appreciate a lack of interruption from those who haven't read the piece in question. Since that's been a "message-board-bitching-ground" beforehand.

Wanna bitch? Request the script. Hang will send it.

With that, I have to get back to (unfortunately) reprising my days trodding boards. Damn those menthols.

Best to all, kosk

hang em high
08-27-2000, 08:58 PM
of you and it is not a brick Ivy league building.

(A giant smile)and it's not X rated either. But it's not
Pg; but it could very well be R, but my version of R
is tasteful but tart.

ohh my god, I can't believe I haven't edited that yet.

hang em'

Cornell
08-28-2000, 04:39 AM
Hang 'em, now, now...I'll never tell what kind of building I am. We don't "tell" from the White House. Besides, this IS a PG board. BEHAve. Here, have another granny smith.... :)

Onward writers!

Daughter of Lir
08-28-2000, 12:38 PM
I always imagined myself as a reeeeeally nice castle with well defined buttresses and huge tracts of land...

<snicker>

Sorry. Got carried away... back to "zoning" (and a Red Delicious for me, please) :lol

DoL/Swan Girl

Meltdown
08-28-2000, 04:37 PM
Uh hunh - leave it to the engineer to be slow on the uptake on a thread... ( and for my next trick)

I find I'm in the zone when dialogue flows between the characters - writing slugs comes easy - the dialogue chews me up.

I find that I'll try speak the dialogue out loud several times when I'm stuck (when I'm really stuck I wander around going on like a blathering idiot) - hash out the wording - tone, etc. to get me in the zone - when it clicks it flows onto the page.

Spend part of saturday wearing a track in the carpert trying to get a few lines in place - when they hit the page I had four pages done in 10 minutes.