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Genrelover 03-30-2016 01:30 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
It is one of the worst trailers I have seen in a long while. I will still see it, but I'm not expecting much.

FoxHound 07-15-2016 12:12 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
Getting good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes -- 75%

Doesn't change the fact that it's still a feminist gimmick :p

UpandComing 07-15-2016 01:46 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940501)
Getting good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes -- 75%

Doesn't change the fact that it's still a feminist gimmick :p

I can't believe people are still bitching about this. Really.

In the whole scheme of things, it's a remarkably silly thing to get angry about.

Ivan Reitman had been trying for years to do a Ghostbusters sequel. Bill Murray wasn't interested, which prevented it from happening. In an interview he recently conducted, Reitman says the following:

-- "And then Harold died [in February 2014] before we could get anywhere. That's when I decided, This is just too tough, that I should try to find somebody with another kind of idea. So I focused on changing the deal so that it would be possible to actually make another Ghostbusters movie."

--"My movie, by the way, the one that I was working on before Harold died, had both male and female ghostbusters in it. The first movie [in 1984] was made as it was because we all knew each other and were involved from the conception point. There wasnít even thought about gender. It was just, "These guys are all funny, we're going to do it." The Ernie Hudson character actually came in a little bit later because we needed a fourth person to explain things for the audience. So that's why all this gender conversation is a little surprising to me."

--"...that it was male-exclusive. I never thought that either! None of us did. Look, we had the original comic books, which were very popular, and there were women ghostbusters in the stories right away. I think itís just an issue that it was a very beloved film ó fortunately for all of us ó and people who become fans, particularly at an early age, have an almost-religious belief in what the iconography of a story has to be. It's very strict."

http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/ivan-...murray-qa.html

So as you can see, Paul Feig's all-female take wasn't completely out of left field for the movie's world. In fact, it was an extension of an idea Reitman already had in pursuing a sequel. The original movie was only all-male because Reitman was friends with a bunch of male comics that he thought would be good for the characters. Much the same way Feig was friends with a bunch of female comics that he thought would be good for the characters.

Movie reboots change things all the time in order to provide a fresh angle. This angle happened to be gender.

It might be problematic if it violated some core rules established in the first two movies. But the last time I checked -- there wasn't any law established in either that in order to fight ghosts, you need to have a penis.

If there was, I'd love for you to point it out.

karsten 07-15-2016 10:37 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940501)
Getting good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes -- 75%

Which gives zero indication as to whether a film is good or bad; indeed, less so than ever.

More pertinently, it's at 4.3/10 on IMDb, and while that's not always an ideal measure either, it tends to be much closer to the truth than critics' scores.

UpandComing 07-15-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by karsten (Post 940514)
More pertinently, it's at 4.3/10 on IMDb, and while that's not always an ideal measure either, it tends to be much closer to the truth than critics' scores.

I'm sorry, but that's just laughable. First of all, it's possible to rate a movie on IMDB before it has actually come out, meaning people can weigh in without actually having seen it (so, not accurate at all). Second, there has been a coordinated campaign among the haters of the new Ghostbusters to sink its rating on IMDB
(http://screencrush.com/ghostbusters-imdb-what-the/). It has received over 700 ratings of 1/10 before even opening. Interestingly, the ratings break down like this:http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ghostbusters-is-a-perfect-example-of-how-internet-ratings-are-broken/

So as you can see, a lot of angry men who haven't yet seen the movie have given it low ratings, while a lot of women who haven't seen it have given it high ratings (probably to counteract the male campaign). Of course, male IMDB reviewers vastly outnumber female ones (by 5 to 1), so the ultimate result is low. Thus, this rating is less indicative of true feelings about the movie than it is some kind of gender war.

Sadly, this is not the first time this has happened, as there are studies showing that men are far more likely to give extremely low IMDB ratings to female-driven movies and shows even when they receive high ratings among critics (e.g., "Sex and the City"). If that's not some kind of reflexive sexism, I don't know what is. We live in a sad culture.

slupo 07-15-2016 12:47 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by karsten (Post 940514)
Which gives zero indication as to whether a film is good or bad; indeed, less so than ever.

More pertinently, it's at 4.3/10 on IMDb, and while that's not always an ideal measure either, it tends to be much closer to the truth than critics' scores.

That's just a bunch of people rating it 1 who haven't even seen it.

TigerFang 07-15-2016 03:35 PM

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Apparently, contrary to some opinions (not mine), a new generation of Ghostbuster fans seems ready for this all-female cast reboot. Kristen Wiig photo

From Harold Ramis' daughter, Violet Ramis Stiel, regarding Ghostbuster haters.

FoxHound 07-16-2016 01:14 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by UpandComing (Post 940502)
So as you can see, Paul Feig's all-female take wasn't completely out of left field for the movie's world. In fact, it was an extension of an idea Reitman already had in pursuing a sequel. The original movie was only all-male because Reitman was friends with a bunch of male comics that he thought would be good for the characters. Much the same way Feig was friends with a bunch of female comics that he thought would be good for the characters.

You know, when I first heard it was going to be an all-female cast I actually thought it wasn't a bad idea. I thought it could work.

But when I learned a A-list alpha male megastar (Chris Hemsworth) was playing a "secretary" the film took on the life of a feminist gimmick. It was now intentionally crapping on the man-power angle of the original.

UpandComing 07-16-2016 01:57 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940541)
You know, when I first heard it was going to be an all-female cast I actually thought it wasn't a bad idea. I thought it could work.

But when I learned a A-list alpha male megastar (Chris Hemsworth) was playing a "secretary" the film took on the life of a feminist gimmick. It was now intentionally crapping on the man-power angle of the original.

What do you mean by "man power" angle of the original? It was just a comedy with four male leads.

The update is just a comedy where the leads are female. Of course there's going to be some male eye candy.

And BTW -- Chris Hemsworth is by no means an "A-list megastar". His only hit movies have been the "Thor" movies, and their success has more to do with the Marvel brand than him. Outside of that, he has experienced bomb after bomb after bomb ("The Huntsman", "In the Heart of the Sea", "Blackhat", "Rush", etc.). He has yet to prove to be a solo draw, and at this point, I doubt he ever will be.

It's fascinating how some people think that when gender roles are reversed, something is automatically "feminist". There's an implication there that woman aren't allowed to do certain things that men are without it being seen as some kind of statement. Encourage you to examine why you feel that way.

FoxHound 07-16-2016 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UpandComing (Post 940542)
What do you mean by "man power" angle of the original? It was just a comedy with four male leads.

No. It wasn't. It started with three weird nerds no one liked (very relatable to men) and by the end of the film they saved the world, became heroes, and (one) got the girl.

Why do you think men connected with it on such an emotional level? I was just reading an article on how Reitman was bombarded with 30-40 something males who grew up with the originals who were now aghast at the new casting choices.

I'm certainly not one of those, but I'm also not blind. They've reversed the script. Now 4 women overcome a litany of obstacles, save the world, and become super heroes while the lone male character idles in a chair answering phones.


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