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UpandComing 07-16-2016 06:39 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by StoryWriter (Post 940590)
But now if I think the movie (according to the trailer) looks stupid, I guess that makes me a "misogynist" and a "hater". It's like third-grader calling me a "poopy head" because I don't want to play marbles with him.

No one said that. I saw the trailer, and didn't find it impressive either. The haters are the one who judged it as soon as the all-female cast was announced. And the ones giving it a 1/10 rating having not seen it.

FoxHound 07-16-2016 06:53 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by UpandComing (Post 940549)
I think a lot of these men are suffering from the same type of thinking you've expressed. And that's understandable -- they don't understand how deeply they've been conditioned either. But it's one thing to be upset about the role reversal. It's another thing to actively wage a campaign against a movie that you haven't even seen yet.

I haven't been "conditioned" by male Hollywood. Erin Brockovich is my fav film for fuc*s sake.

Even as a GB fan, I've never been angry at anything about this film. It's free speech in filmmaking. All I'm doing is trying to explain why OTHERS are angry about this film.

entlassen 07-16-2016 07:14 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by UpandComing (Post 940585)
Melissa McCarthy, Kate McKinnon, Kristen Wiig, and Leslie Jones unfunny? That may be your opinion, but I haven't heard any widespread discussion of the specific cast members as a reason for objection. Stop pretending that your personal tastes represent some kind of major trend.

The movie has a 2.3 user score on Metacritic and a 4.7 on IMDB, so I'd say that my personal taste does represent a major trend, at least more so than the phony reviews bought by Sony.

And it doesn't distract from Feig being a douchebag about the ordeal. If you mess with a franchise, you can expect blowback. Take the criticisms into consideration, don't be a dick and lash out at the fanbase for not accepting your reboot.

UpandComing 07-16-2016 07:22 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940593)
Even as a GB fan, I've never been angry at anything about this film. It's free speech in filmmaking. All I'm doing is trying to explain why OTHERS are angry about this film.

Actually, I used the word "upset" in the comment you responded to. And these following quotes sure sound like you, personally, are expressing bother with the gender switch:

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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940501)
Getting good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes -- 75%

Doesn't change the fact that it's still a feminist gimmick :p

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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940541)
You know, when I first heard it was going to be an all-female cast I actually thought it wasn't a bad idea. I thought it could work.

But when I learned a A-list alpha male megastar (Chris Hemsworth) was playing a "secretary" the film took on the life of a feminist gimmick. It was now intentionally crapping on the man-power angle of the original.


UpandComing 07-16-2016 07:39 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by entlassen (Post 940598)
The movie has a 2.3 user score on Metacritic and a 4.7 on IMDB, so I'd say that my personal taste does represent a major trend, at least more so than the phony reviews bought by Sony.

Haha. First of all -- as was mentioned previously in this thread, and as has been cited in several articles, there has been a coordinated campaign by haters to tank the ratings of the movie on these sites (there was even a Reddit thread where they discussed their plans for it). So these ratings are less an accurate reflection of "taste" (which is based on, you know, having actually seen something) than they are the mobilization of a bunch of people who childishly want to destroy the movie preemptively.

Second, even if the ratings were based on actual movie viewings, it still doesn't prove that they were due to the specific cast members chosen rather than other factors. So frankly, your argument makes no sense.

BTW, you have no idea whether Sony "bought" any reviews; that's just an assumption on your part.

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Originally Posted by entlassen (Post 940598)
And it doesn't distract from Feig being a douchebag about the ordeal. If you mess with a franchise, you can expect blowback. Take the criticisms into consideration, don't be a dick and lash out at the fanbase for not accepting your reboot.

I'm not being a dick. I am taking the criticisms into consideration, and highlighting how incredibly illogical they are. Specifically, I'm:

a) Calling out the silliness of hating on a gender-switch in a movie where gender never played an essential role in the make-up of the characters

b) Calling out the silliness of taking that hatred to the extreme by rating a movie before it's been seen. That behavior is what you would call dickish.

entlassen 07-16-2016 07:54 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by UpandComing (Post 940600)
I'm not being a dick. I am taking the criticisms into consideration, and highlighting how incredibly illogical they are. Specifically, I'm:

a) Calling out the silliness of hating on a gender-switch in a movie where gender never played an essential role in the make-up of the characters

b) Calling out the silliness of taking that hatred to the extreme by rating a movie before it's been seen. That behavior is what you would call dickish.

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the director.

I've just been reading some IMDB reviews and a lot of them criticize how apparently every single male character in the film is dumb, useless, or a villain, and how the final boss ghost or whatever has to be shot in its dick to defeat it. So if this is a culture war issue, the director the fired the first shot, not "the haters" (who seem to me mostly like pissed off fans).

As you said, in the 80s version (which I don't even like and I'm surprised it's still popular) the sex of the characters doesn't matter explicitly, but here in this version it does matter explicitly. The whole movie apparently revolves around the female-ness of the characters. Feig could've just made a Ghostbusters movie that happened to have a female team in it and it could have worked, but he instead chose to make a third wave feminist cringefest, and that's why people are so annoyed.

At the end of the day, Paul Feig took a cult favorite and did a remake to push his political and social views. When he was called out on it, he threw a hissy fit. There's apparently a scene in the film that even mocks fans of the original movie. This isn't how you go about things, and it's why his IMDB page is a clusterf*ck.

UpandComing 07-16-2016 08:03 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by entlassen (Post 940601)
I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the director.

I've just been reading some IMDB reviews and a lot of them criticize how apparently every single male character in the film is dumb, useless, or a villain, and how the final boss ghost or whatever has to be shot in its dick to defeat it. So if this is a culture war issue, the director the fired the first shot, not "the haters" (who seem to me mostly like pissed off fans).

As you said, in the 80s version (which I don't even like and I'm surprised it's still popular) the sex of the characters doesn't matter explicitly, but here in this version it does matter explicitly. The whole movie apparently revolves around the female-ness of the characters. Feig could've just made a Ghostbusters movie that happened to have a female team in it and it could have worked, but he instead chose to make a third wave feminist cringefest, and that's why people are so annoyed.

At the end of the day, Paul Feig took a cult favorite and did a remake to push his political and social views. When he was called out on it, he threw a hissy fit. There's apparently a scene in the film that even mocks fans of the original movie. This isn't how you go about things, and it's why his IMDB page is a clusterf*ck.

Three thoughts:

1) I'm 100% fine with valid criticisms of the movie like this. They are based on actual viewings of the movie and not on some biased agenda to tank it sight unseen.

2) I'm still not fine with those who tried to tank the movie sight unseen. And if anyone is an aspiring screenwriter doing that, that is even worse.

3) While Feig may have taken an overaggressive approach (and I can't confirm that, as I haven't seen the movie, and I don't like to judge them unless I do), he was surely not the first one to fire a shot in the "culture war". When the all-female reboot was announced, the script hadn't even been written yet, but the outrage was almost instant. Anything Feig has done since then has been in response to that overreaction.

kintnerboy 07-17-2016 10:20 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by entlassen (Post 940598)
I'd say that my personal taste does represent a major trend, at least more so than the phony reviews bought by Sony.

I think if Sony were paying for reviews it would have come out during the email hack thingy last year.

Having said that, they do not have to pay them. Most of early raves were in the bag anyway. The New York Times published their cringe-worthy #yougogirl endorsement on Monday, 7/11, which I believe is the first time in at least 30 years that the Times has published a review 4 days ahead of a films' commercial opening (as a rule, they don't even review films premiering at the NY Film Festival until they're in theaters).

They were trying SO HARD to make this film happen that it backfired to an extent (based on this weekend's grosses).

Vance 07-17-2016 12:09 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
Honestly a bit surprised at lackluster box office numbers. The Hollywood premiere was insane. I went down there to review a restaurant, and wound up having to hang out because it was impossible to leave the area without shoving your way through a thick wall of humanity. Found a good scenic spot, though.

And no, criticizing those clearly awful trailers doesn't get people branded as misogynists. I've critiqued them to death (takeaway: the humor looks awfully familiar, and McKinnon is the only thing showing promise,) and nobody's assaulted me over it.

carcar 07-17-2016 04:02 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by entlassen (Post 940601)
I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the director.

I've just been reading some IMDB reviews and a lot of them criticize how apparently every single male character in the film is dumb, useless, or a villain, and how the final boss ghost or whatever has to be shot in its dick to defeat it. So if this is a culture war issue, the director the fired the first shot, not "the haters" (who seem to me mostly like pissed off fans).

As you said, in the 80s version (which I don't even like and I'm surprised it's still popular) the sex of the characters doesn't matter explicitly, but here in this version it does matter explicitly. The whole movie apparently revolves around the female-ness of the characters. Feig could've just made a Ghostbusters movie that happened to have a female team in it and it could have worked, but he instead chose to make a third wave feminist cringefest, and that's why people are so annoyed.

At the end of the day, Paul Feig took a cult favorite and did a remake to push his political and social views. When he was called out on it, he threw a hissy fit. There's apparently a scene in the film that even mocks fans of the original movie. This isn't how you go about things, and it's why his IMDB page is a clusterf*ck.

So you apparently haven't seen the movie?


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