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finalact4 04-02-2016 05:29 PM

Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Hello everyone:

I'm finishing up a big sci-fi epic with my manager who loves the world and characters and sees it as both a feature franchise and (because of the current landscape) a potential TV series. If neither of these options pan out, it might be necessary to write the novels first, though that is not the goal.

I'll be creating a few prequel pitches as well as sequels. It's ambitious and will most likely require a package deal of some sort since it's not an existing IP, but reads like one.

The feature is almost ready and will go out to a very limited number of executives-- at least that's the plan. Will probably take a visionary director to attach for it to go anywhere, so unfortunately I'm trying to realistic.

So now I need to determine the best approach for a pilot. I know this is difficult to help with since you've no idea of the scope and scale of the project, but I'm looking for a way to strategize what should be in the pilot and what to leave out.

Is the best approach to reduce the spec's story to the first half and opening up the world? I could easily do that in a dramatic way, but there's no way (that I can see) to reduce the entire story into the pilot. It's already condensed at 125 pages.

I haven't written a pilot before and am currently reading Small Screen, Big Picture to help better understand the differences between features and pilots.

If you have any suggestions or advice that I should consider I would be grateful.

thank you,
FA4

RG55 04-03-2016 07:44 AM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Hello, FA4

TV series and Movies are different things and as you know sometimes don't translate well into each other.

You've got to figure out what your story engine is, both external and internal. The impression I get is that external it would sort of a Fugitive or Walking Dead thing, with the purpose of.... finding a safe haven where a cure for everybody can be devised?

With the few elements known, I think your should try for a Hybrid sort of Pilot, where Young Woman and Renegade Smuggler meet at the end of Act One, or Two, then the rest would play like a typical episode: Escape Powerful forces.

Backstory would be weaved into the episode(s)--including Flashbacks, if needed.

Check, among others:

http://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Pilo...ords=bill+taub

http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Pilot-...william+rabkin

Congratulations on getting such interest on your story.

Cheers,
Roy

dpaterso 04-03-2016 08:56 AM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by finalact4 (Post 936423)
In a future decimated by Plaque, a young woman whose blood holds the cure for humanity, must trust a renegade smuggler with ulterior motives as they flee across a violent Wasteland pursued by powerful forces who aim to use her blood for themselves.

Plaque, causing tooth decay? Or Plague, disease? Why's it capitalized?

For a moment there I thought of Van Damme's Cyborg. Good times! :)

Good luck with this!

Mpimentel 04-03-2016 09:05 AM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by finalact4 (Post 936423)
Title: Wasteland: The Sixth State

Logline:
In a future decimated by Plaque, a young woman whose blood holds the cure for humanity, must trust a renegade smuggler with ulterior motives as they flee across a violent Wasteland pursued by powerful forces who aim to use her blood for themselves.

I don't have any advice on this, but given the amount of shows that are out that were once movies I'd say check out how they did it.

Your log-line however, sounds a lot like this show..

Z-Nation:
Three years after the zombie virus has gutted the country, a team of everyday heroes must transport the only known survivor of the plague from New York to California, where the last functioning viral lab waits for his blood.

finalact4 04-03-2016 09:28 AM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dpaterso (Post 936437)
Plaque, causing tooth decay? Or Plague, disease? Why's it capitalized?

For a moment there I thought of Van Damme's Cyborg. Good times! :)

Good luck with this!

LOL-- maybe I need new glasses. It looked like a G. My mistake about capitalizing the name of a disease, guess it's not a proper noun.

Thanks for the call out-- always appreciate the help.

finalact4 04-03-2016 11:34 AM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RG55 (Post 936435)
Hello, FA4

TV series and Movies are different things and as you know sometimes don't translate well into each other.

Yes, I know this to be true. In this case the world is sufficiently large to create many stories and/or prequels/sequels. This logline is simply the engine for this installment of the story.



Quote:

You've got to figure out what your story engine is, both external and internal. The impression I get is that external it would sort of a Fugitive or Walking Dead thing, with the purpose of.... finding a safe haven where a cure for everybody can be devised?
Yes, that's exactly the drive in this installment. .
Quote:

With the few elements known, I think your should try for a Hybrid sort of Pilot, where Young Woman and Renegade Smuggler meet at the end of Act One, or Two, then the rest would play like a typical episode: Escape Powerful forces.

Okay, I hadn't actually thought of the typical episode of "escape powerful forces" so that's very helpful. I like it. So the end of the season would be the end of my feature-- I like that, too. Leaves a lot of room to develop the other world factions over the course of the first season that will open the door to the following seasons.

It's not easy getting your head out of the feature aspect of writing where is seems a one page scene in a feature can become more developed in a series. Everything is so tight in a feature. Features seem to move faster. It's compact. TV seems to allow for the characters to breathe more and come into their own. Their psychological wounds rarely get resolved and continue to haunt them over the course of the series.

I should be thinking in a five act structure, right? Should I open with the teaser of the past annihilation of the world? I have a strong, visual 4 page prologue in the feature that could represent an opening teaser. After the pilot the imagery of the prologue could become the opening credits of each episode without the voice over.

As I'm reading the Falling Skies pilot, they have a scene with children being helped by a psychologist-type character where the children's drawings depict their horrifying memories, exposing the day the world was invaded. We very much ump right into the story after that.

But in The 100 we hear Clark's voice over explaining the structure of their future society (Extant does this too), which is more like what mine does

Game of Thrones opens with the White Walker scene, which doesn't come back around for several episodes but is clearly the over arching series' story engine that "Winter is Coming."

Personally, I see a serialized show like Game of Thrones, with potentially each season becoming an anthology piece that either ties the future, presence, and past together or an on going series that flashes back and flashes forward like what LOST did. But I could be wrong as I'm not experienced with writing TV.

Do you have a suggestion on a targeted page count for the pilot? 45 to 60? And what considerations should I have with respect to network vs cable? Would the act structure change? Page count?

Should I avoid showing blood spilled? More implying and cutting away from it? So it could go to both networks and cable? I'm not sure which approach to hit.

Right now it's pretty much a PG-13 feature, targeting a 4 quad audience. It has humor and moments of levity in it, similar to what you'd find in Guardians of Galaxy, Star Wars or Indiana Jones.

Thoughts?


Quote:

Backstory would be weaved into the episode(s)--including Flashbacks, if needed.

Check, among others:

http://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Pilo...ords=bill+taub

http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Pilot-...william+rabkin
Will check them out, and thanks for the help it is most appreciated and has alleviated the anxiety I was feeling.

Quote:

Congratulations on getting such interest on your story.
Cheers,
Roy
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that anyone is interested in this project yet, it's just my manager and I planning our approach. Since almost everything in the feature world is driven by either superhero IP or other pre-existing IPs we know the feature will take someone special who can see opportunities outside what everyone else is doing and take a chance on an original spec with franchise possibilities that no one's heard of before. I fully understand that it's a lot less risky to invest is something that already has a strong following.

Almost everyone has pointed out the difficulties in creating an IP that doesn't already exist and trying to sell it. I wrote what I wanted to write and not what the industry was buying per se. Good or bad I'm not sorry I went this route, because I'm writing what I love.

Since I haven't sold anything, that's important to me. And the way I figure it, someone has to be the first one to break through and sell a franchise that isn't based on a pre-existing IP-- I'm hoping that is me. I honestly believe (maybe it's naive) that someone will. And to anyone else trying, I wish them good fortune as there are an infinite amount of original stores to be told.

Thanks so much for the help RG55, it's got me excited to start and motivated to finish it.

finalact4 04-03-2016 11:43 AM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mpimentel (Post 936438)
I don't have any advice on this, but given the amount of shows that are out that were once movies I'd say check out how they did it.

Your log-line however, sounds a lot like this show..

Z-Nation:
Three years after the zombie virus has gutted the country, a team of everyday heroes must transport the only known survivor of the plague from New York to California, where the last functioning viral lab waits for his blood.

Hey Mpimentel, thanks for weighing in.

Sounds similar. I think mine is quite a bit different. But I'd love to see Z-Nation. Looks like it's on Amazon. When I have a chance I'll have to take a look at it.

It kind of reminds me of Pincusion written by John Raffo several years ago-- terrific story. Would have made a great feature, I think.

Thanks again.

Mpimentel 04-03-2016 12:00 PM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by finalact4 (Post 936449)
Hey Mpimentel, thanks for weighing in.

Sounds similar. I think mine is quite a bit different. But I'd love to see Z-Nation. Looks like it's on Amazon. When I have a chance I'll have to take a look at it.

It kind of reminds me of Pincusion written by John Raffo several years ago-- terrific story. Would have made a great feature, I think.

Thanks again.


Yeah I'm just going by logline, so the devil is in the details your story even with a similar premise could be totally different.

Basically they have this guy who is immune to zombie bites so they are transporting him to the lab and en route all these different entities try to kidnap him (sometimes they succeed) in order to get the cure themselves and capitalize from it.

Anyhow, yeah check it out sometime, its not to discourage you from pursuing it, on the contrary you can learn what worked from that show and what did not, and make your project that much better because of it.

In any case, good luck man, seems like you have a few different directions in which this can work, and hopefully it works in all directions.

docgonzo 04-03-2016 12:26 PM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Forgetting the concept and world for a minute, you need to find the series engine, as RG said. What basic idea will generate stories week after week for several seasons? What you described -- the fugitive on the run and ticking clock -- are not story engines. They're plot devices.

Some examples to help out. On Game of Thrones, the story engine is the pursuit of the Iron Throne. On The Walking Dead, it's trying to survive the zombie apocalypse. On any procedural, it's finding the the murderer/criminal/whoever and bringing them to justice.

I think with yours it'll be along the lines of trying to save the last remnants of humanity before everyone dies off. You can see how that might play out from pilot to series finale.

Taking this a bit further, I've found Javier Grillo-Marxuach's concept of the operational theme to be very helpful...

http://okbjgm.tumblr.com/post/778240...n-and-theme-vs

I think once you figure out this part, you can come up with a story for the pilot that will ring true to the world and characters you've created, but will actually be different from your feature. You might have to just forget the feature altogether and start breaking a new story for the pilot. While you're doing that, you'll have an eye toward what might happen over the course of a season. Most likely 10-12 episodes in your case.

Whenever I write a pilot, I'm always mindful of how things will transpire over the first season, and when I'm done, I get to work on a bible that has anywhere from 3-5 seasons beat out. Some here might disagree with having that much, but the execs I've pitched like hearing at least the major beats and character arcs for how the series will play out over that long a span. Especially if it's serialized.

The thing to keep in mind is that you're creating storylines and character arcs that won't wrap up neatly at the end of the pilot, or even the first season. You want your audience to come back week after week, or to binge watch five eps in a night, so you're constantly having to keep things moving forward. It's very different from a feature, where your protag accomplishes a single goal and that's it.

RG55 04-03-2016 12:34 PM

Re: Advice on Converting a Feature to a Pilot
 
Yes, I can see it can go in many directions. The first season may be you movie (which I suppose ends with HER becoming the new Healer). But what about the next 5 seasons?

"Psychological wounds that don't heal"--yes, typically when they do, the Series ends, or at least changes focus (and often fizzles out).

Putting the two things together, you need some psychological wounds (the internal) that won't heal for quite some time--the internal engine of the story(ies). Read those short books and it'll be clear.

OK, some thoughts based on my interpretation of things--not as absolutes.

Choose visuals over Voice-over.

Teaser plus 5 Acts seems OK. For Prime Cable you wouldn't need it, but it's good to write something that can be put in Network style if needed.

Put the blood (and nudity) in; if it goes Network, it can be toned down.

I try to keep page count at 60 or less. Sure, they can gladly read a 70 pages pilot if one is Aaron Sorkin, but if not...
Of course, since you need a lot of world-building, it may take a lot of pages...

I like humor. How you can use it in such a grim concept and not have a clashing of tones I don't know.

BTW, if the virus kills every living cell, it wouldn't have cells to replicate in and would also die out.

Whenever you feel anxiety, drop me a line and I'll try to alleviate it :-)


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