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grumpywriter 10-30-2015 02:34 PM

Week with director, uncompensated?
 
Hi there,

Have a business question for anyone else who may have been in this situation.

A script I optioned a while back finally has a director on board, and now the director is asking to work with me a bit on the script and he actually wants to fly to SF and spend a week with me IN PERSON -- like an ENTIRE week, 40+hours -- going over the script and really taking it to the next level. I'm working, of course, I have a full-time job, so I asked if Skype was possible or if we could just use email, but he said he wants to do it in person.

Unfortunately -- yes, HUGE oversight on the part of myself, my manager, and my lawyer -- there's nothing in the option agreement about rewrites, which means they're not obligated to pay me anything, but I'm also not obligated to do anything. Which kind of leaves it open. My manager phoned the producer to tell him that she thinks I should be compensated for a week's worth of work and what would amount to a pretty big rewrite, and the producer said that unfortunately he can't offer any compensation.

Not sure what to do.

I'm not in the WGA, but under WGA rules, apparently in a situation like this a writer would get paid a minimum of around $5,000.

I don't want to interrupt the momentum the producer has going. At the same time, not getting comped for a week's worth of work feels like a short-shrift.

Thoughts?

asteven50 10-30-2015 02:54 PM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
Your instincts seem correct to me - the producer trying to take advantage of you. Since there were no steps built into your option agreement, any rewrite they engage you for is basically "off the books". In other words, since it's not in your deal, technically they would have to either renegotiate or go hire another writer to do this director's polish. It sounds like this producer is trying to get free work out of you knowing you don't want to lose credit on the project.

It's up to you how you want to proceed. If you throw your hands up and say you won't do it, they'll probably hire somebody to rewrite you and you may quickly end up out of the loop. You could do the polish for free out of the kindness of your heart and your passion for the project - then have your rep tell them that any further rewrites need to be negotiated. Or, you could go back to them one more time with a starting point - some number that is lower than what they would pay to bring another writer on (probably WGA minimum).

Consider it a lesson learned no matter what. Good luck!

LateNightWriter 10-30-2015 02:58 PM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
If this director has actually been hired, you need to work with him. Otherwise they will hire a writer who's available to do it for a credit or the director will rewrite it himself.

It sucks not to be paid for the work, but since you've optioned the script they can do whatever they want with it. I'd say be a good camper and try to negotiate a 3-day writing period, or evenings and weekends. If this moves the project toward production it will be worth it.

What does your manager say?

Late Night Writer

Ronaldinho 10-30-2015 03:49 PM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
First of all, it doesn't "feel like" getting the short shrift, it IS getting the short-shrift. You should be paid. It sounds like you're not going to be. That sucks.

Welcome to the wacky world of option agreements. Mentally, this is how I would wrap my head around this (sucky) situation:

If the option gets picked up, I get paid. Therefore, I'm not writing this for free. I'm writing for a deferred salary that comes when they execute the option.

This happens in a lot of option deals, because there's a very real hammer at work: that potential pay check. Nearly everybody I know who has signed an option deal has done more rewrite work than specified in their contract, and the hammer is why. I mean, a 10% chance of a $100k paycheck is worth $10k, right?

This is some mental jiu-jitsu, or, as some would say, total bullshit, but look, this is the hand you've been dealt, and you were right to ask for some money, but they've said no.

Here's how I approach this sort of thing:

Decide in advance how much work you're willing to do for free. Stick to it. That amount of work is not "Zero".

The director's desire to meet with you in person for a whole week is HUGE. This is a major, major plus. Pushing this to Skype or email would be a major mistake.

ALWAYS meet in person if you can. ALWAYS. It develops the relationship about 1000x faster. It's more relaxing for everyone involved. It's more flexible. It's more productive.

When you want to meet, and a producer is all, "Naw, we'll just do a phone call," you often hear that as, "Either you're busy, or we just became a low priority." When the director not only really wants to meet, but is flying out to you, and is going to stay in a hotel for a week, that's HUGELY positive. The director is INVESTED IN THIS HAPPENING.

Make the time. Find a way to do it. Use vacation time if you have to. (But maybe you can, say, meet with him from Saturday-Wednesday, rather than Monday-Fri, in order to save yourself a pair of vacation days?).

I'd be really unhappy with the manager and lawyer for not negotiating any sort of rewrite fee. But beyond that ...

You want to develop your relationship with the director. You want to stay involved with the project. You want to push it towards getting picked up. Those are all good things. Getting paid is also a good thing, but hey, three our of four ain't bad, right?

grumpywriter 10-30-2015 06:08 PM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
Thanks guys. You've given me a lot to consider. Yeah -- the major oversight was not including this clause in the option agreement. Unfortunately I can't afford to take a week off to work on this for free, so I really have to ask for some kind of compensation. Hopefully demanding compensation won't sink my involvement with the project...

Ronaldinho 10-30-2015 08:50 PM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
I hear you.

That being said, if they can't pay you, find a way to do the rewrite anyway. Stay involved, develop your relationship with the director, and it's fine to draw a line in the sand about the money, but don't let that poison your collaborative relationship with the director.

A project of mine appears to be coming back to life for no reason other than that a director I worked with in the past has some fresh heat and wants to take it to some new companies.

Communicate to your managers that the problem is "I'm super excited to work with this guy, want to do everything I can to help, but I literally can't afford to take the time off work."

Holly_Kyle 10-30-2015 10:38 PM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
And this will sound left of center, but seriously, if you are anything like the average American... you probably can afford to take a week off. I'm not saying "oh shut up I'm sure you're rich", I'm just saying, most people don't *really* know how to live cheap. Look up a book on being a cheapskate, talk to your spouse or whoever else may be in it with you financially, and really take a second look because honestly, despite the crappy part, this sounds like a FANTASTIC opportunity (I'm well jel!) Ask for less money, ask to shift the days to include sat/sun, but also figure out where you REALLY stand financially. I mean, ramen and lights out, extreme stuff, totally worth it!!!! You gotta dive in!!!! And yes I know that's like a weirdo's advice LOL :-)

EdFury 10-30-2015 11:30 PM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronaldinho (Post 929901)
I hear you.

That being said, if they can't pay you, find a way to do the rewrite anyway. Stay involved, develop your relationship with the director, and it's fine to draw a line in the sand about the money, but don't let that poison your collaborative relationship with the director.

A project of mine appears to be coming back to life for no reason other than that a director I worked with in the past has some fresh heat and wants to take it to some new companies.

Communicate to your managers that the problem is "I'm super excited to work with this guy, want to do everything I can to help, but I literally can't afford to take the time off work."

This is absolutely the approach and mindset you have to take. If you don't do this the director will rewrite it himself. And then ask for writing credit. Don't kid yourself about this at all. Also... as was said, when a director comes to you, he is reaching out. He thinks you are the guy to do this with him. He's showing you respect a lot of writers never get on their projects and would die for. Don't give him a reason to jettison you.

All this also tells me they intend to make the film, thus exercising their option... money for you.

Work your day job if you have to... Then write at night with him. It's only a week and the benefits will last a hell of a lot longer.

Oh.... and tell your manager if they don't at least put one rewrite in future options they're fired. That's like option 101.

MoviePen 10-31-2015 05:16 AM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronaldinho (Post 929901)
Communicate to your managers that the problem is "I'm super excited to work with this guy, want to do everything I can to help, but I literally can't afford to take the time off work."

I'd also get this out there loud and clear. It's not "I don't want to do free work" (which is true, but set that aside for the moment) but "If I do this, you need to work with my schedule because I need to have a paycheck to eat/pay rent/live, since you're not compensating me for this rewrite."

grumpywriter 10-31-2015 09:33 AM

Re: Week with director, uncompensated?
 
All very good points. Thank you. To add: I see what you're saying... that if the director is willing to come out to spend a week working on the script with me I should feel very happy/flattered, because it means that 1) they have pretty good faith in it selling, and 2) they think I'm the one who has to do the rewrites, that I'm the writer to take it to the finish line. That said, at the risk of sounding entitled or ungrateful, I think it also means they should be willing to compensate me for my time. Right? I mean, if I'm the one, and if they're confident, and if they're getting close, the should pay me something. At least, maybe, half of the WGA minimum for a week's worth of work (which means they'd have to pay me $2500). That's my reasoning for feeling like I deserve compensation, apart from not really being able to afford taking a week off work. Not saying my mind's made up, but this is what I'm thinking. These thoughtful responses have made me think deeper about it, but it's interesting because the arguments for being willing to accept no or minimal compensation (see #s 1 and 2 above in this post) seem be equally strong arguments FOR insisting on compensation. Ahhh... decisions...


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