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TigerFang 07-16-2016 06:49 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
Over here, we're having a hard time comprehending why there's so much venom spewed forth over an updated reboot of a hit film for children because its lead characters are now women.

UpandComing 07-16-2016 07:13 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940543)
No. It wasn't. It started with three weird nerds no one liked (very relatable to men) and by the end of the film they saved the world, became heroes, and (one) got the girl.

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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940543)
They've reversed the script. Now 4 women overcome a litany of obstacles, save the world, and become super heroes while the lone male character idles in a chair answering phones.

All men can relate to being weird nerds that no one likes? No, sir. All men don't.

All nerds can relate to being nerds -- yes. And guess what? There are female nerds, too. There are women who are socially awkward, who are afraid of facing a lot of obstacles and going after their goals. That's not distinctly a "male" thing. That's a human thing.

There are also women who find it hard to approach a guy they might like. This is particularly the case if the guy doesn't show any interest in them -- in which case, they have to "get the guy" themselves. So there is nothing unrealistic about having a movie that shows this.

Your way of thinking suggests that only men are interested in engaging in active pursuit of a goal, including a love interest. It is a very rigid, narrow-minded way of viewing gender roles -- one ingrained by viewing hundreds of movies promoting this idea -- movies produced by an industry primarily run by men -- Hollywood. You don't even realize that this mentality is abnormal because you have been conditioned to think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by FoxHound (Post 940543)
Why do you think men connected with it on such an emotional level? I was just reading an article on how Reitman was bombarded with 30-40 something males who grew up with the originals who were now aghast at the new casting choices.

I think a lot of these men are suffering from the same type of thinking you've expressed. And that's understandable -- they don't understand how deeply they've been conditioned either. But it's one thing to be upset about the role reversal. It's another thing to actively wage a campaign against a movie that you haven't even seen yet.

Going out of your way to make the trailer the most disliked in history and to tank the movie's ratings is indicative of something rather disturbing -- that you believe that women in movies should only fulfill one type of role, the character who waits for men to save the world and then "get them." Either that, or you just hate all women because you haven't been able to get laid/go on a date in a long time. Which, considering the nerd demographic of many of the men who are obsessed with "Ghostbusters", is not quite out of the realm of possibility, lol.

For people who continue to be so butthurt about this reboot, some reminders:

--The original movie was never meant to be specifically all-male; it just came out that way because of Reitman being friendly with male comics

--Ivan Reitman tried for a long time to make the sequel with the original cast, but it didn't happen. Paul Feig actually saved the day by coming up with a fresh spin that Sony liked. It's not like they didn't consider a version with males -- Max Landis was one of many people who gave pitches to the studio. Sony just thought Feig's version was the best.

--This movie does nothing to erase the original. It's not like they tried to make the female characters slightly altered versions of the original ones. They made them their own, new characters, with a new world.

--There is always the possibility that there will be a male-led reboot in the future. In fact, one with Channing Tatum and Chris Pratt was being actively explored. So it's ridiculous to act as if this version is the be-all, end-all.

I feel this whole fiasco has served to show not only that a lot of geek culture is extremely sexist (as if Gamergate didn't do that already), but that a lot of men in general are more sexist than they are even aware. I encourage those men to think about their sisters or daughters who might be excited about the prospect of a movie with female Ghostbusters. Or, just take a look at this picture:

http://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/Kr...photo-41952773

kintnerboy 07-16-2016 08:08 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by TigerFang (Post 940548)
Over here, we're having a hard time comprehending why there's so much venom spewed forth over an updated reboot of a hit film for children because its lead characters are now women.

There really isn't that much *controversy* over this film (which is, at the end of the day, a mediocre remake of a film that was mediocre to begin with).

However, the entertainment news media have learned very well, from studying the political news media, that manufacturing outrage on a daily basis is just as valuable an ancillary revenue stream as toys and merch.

It isn't so much that people won't stop complaining about this film, it's that the newspapers won't stop defending it against the imaginary detractors.

Of course the low Imdb and YouTube ratings are fraudulent and meaningless.

But then so is the *FRESH* rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

Here are some positive Ghostbusters "reviews" from 3 major American newspapers:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/enter...711-story.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertai...711-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...711-story.html


If you click on the links, you'll notice that all 3 are the same review, copy-pasted from the AP.

Why?.... Because 90% of the newspapers in America are owned by the same 5 corporations (which in turn are owned by the same 10 billionaires).

Why are the richest people in the world so heavily invested in a dying, bankrupt business, you ask?

Because as long as the citizens are busy spending their days being outraged and inventing new Diversity Hashtags in order to to boost their likes and followers, they won't have time to realize that their future has been plundered by the .001%.

entlassen 07-16-2016 11:53 AM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
Just in case anyone has doubts as to this movie's awfulness, this is the clip Sony's been using to sell it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iGTttlUMR8

Apparently they thought this was one of the better scenes in the film.

Paul Feig is a typical 2010s filmmaker who thinks that comedy is a bunch of unappealing characters spouting pop culture references and snark. I caught a scene from Spy on TV recently that consisted of the main character (the fat woman) pointlessly ragging on a guy and being a combative bitch for no reason. Who's giving this guy rave reviews? The Farrelly Brothers at their worst are geniuses compared to him.

Vance 07-16-2016 03:33 PM

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If the critical consensus is at all to be trusted, then people giving this a vindication watch will enjoy it because they want to. People giving it a hate watch will hate it because they want to. It's not quite willing to stand on its own legs, which hurts it, but a lot of the team that assembled it is talented enough to make it tolerable.

I can't say any of this authoritatively, since I intend to catch the Netflix premiere, but when a lot of critics are going "Meh," and the positive reviews are directed at "haters," and the negative reviews are directed at "evil boob-havers," it feels like the movie is basically a non-offensive non-event if you peel away anybody's bias.

Red Letter Media pointed out something that I felt previously; that making it a female cast was possibly a step in the right direction. When they were talking an Indiana Jones remake with Chris Pratt, I felt it sounded like the most boring thing possible. You know they'd hit every single predictable note possible, and that at best it would be a well-made bad movie. Then Megan Fox casually stated in an interview that she'd like to play the role and Gamespot's user base blew up at Hollywood, but I think that's the move that would have all the potential. She can do that kind of funny, she's capable of physicality, and maybe some sharp filmmaker would decide to make that flick enough of its own beast.

Which is the long way of getting to the point that it sounds like Feig's crew tried to have it both ways and just wound up with something that was neither.

But again, that's no strong prediction. Maybe I'll see the movie sooner than later and find out for myself.

entlassen 07-16-2016 04:24 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by Vance (Post 940576)
I can't say any of this authoritatively, since I intend to catch the Netflix premiere, but when a lot of critics are going "Meh," and the positive reviews are directed at "haters," and the negative reviews are directed at "evil boob-havers," it feels like the movie is basically a non-offensive non-event if you peel away anybody's bias.

The director's outbursts are what caused most of the controversy. Most people weren't upset at an all-female Ghostbusters, they were upset at the horribly unfunny, unappealing females he chose for the movie. Feig threw fits and called anyone who didn't like it misogynists.

When the trailers and clips started to hit, not only were people already turned off by the cast but it was clear the movie itself was going to be awful, not to mention disrespectful to the original. When you're doing a remake of a semi-popular movie its best to not openly insult its fanbase.

Feig brought the hostility on himself through his immature behavior. Just look at the guy.

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...?itok=91D674H4

Dude clearly has issues.

UpandComing 07-16-2016 04:30 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by Vance (Post 940576)
If the critical consensus is at all to be trusted, then people giving this a vindication watch will enjoy it because they want to. People giving it a hate watch will hate it because they want to. It's not quite willing to stand on its own legs, which hurts it, but a lot of the team that assembled it is talented enough to make it tolerable.

I think you're right that a lot of people are going to watch it with strong opinions, although I'd find it funny if any of the haters actually showed up to the theater given how much vitriol they've spewed since the movie was first announced. It's just amazing how determined people are to view it as "terrible" because of the casting and a weak trailer (because you know no one's ever seen a weak trailer before). I'll probably catch it on streaming too, as sci-fi comedy is not really my thing, but I hope it makes a lot of money this weekend just as a slap in the face.

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Originally Posted by Vance (Post 940576)
Red Letter Media pointed out something that I felt previously; that making it a female cast was possibly a step in the right direction. When they were talking an Indiana Jones remake with Chris Pratt, I felt it sounded like the most boring thing possible. You know they'd hit every single predictable note possible, and that at best it would be a well-made bad movie.

I couldn't agree more. I think that as long as gender doesn't define the original property in some way, there's no reason many of them couldn't be re-imagined with a woman. I've written numerous movies with male protagonists, and frankly, it's started to feel rather boring -- become a bit cliche. I recently generated several new ideas with female protags, and am actually excited about them. They feel fresh by virtue of the fact that we're not used to seeing women in those types of roles.

UpandComing 07-16-2016 04:41 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by entlassen (Post 940583)
The director's outbursts are what caused most of the controversy. Most people weren't upset at an all-female Ghostbusters, they were upset at the horribly unfunny, unappealing females he chose for the movie. Feig threw fits and called anyone who didn't like it misogynists..

That's utter B.S. The vast majority of initial criticism when the movie was announced was due to it being all-female. In fact, the outrage started even before Feig had lined up his cast, which took some time. Feig only began responding when the anger reached a deafening roar. I love it how people are trying to rewrite history now that the movie is coming out.

Melissa McCarthy, Kate McKinnon, Kristen Wiig, and Leslie Jones unfunny? That may be your opinion, but I haven't heard any widespread discussion of the specific cast members as a reason for objection. Stop pretending that your personal tastes represent some kind of major trend.

figment 07-16-2016 05:08 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
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Originally Posted by entlassen (Post 940559)
I caught a scene from Spy on TV recently that consisted of the main character (the fat woman) pointlessly ragging on a guy and being a combative bitch for no reason.

Come on. The "fat woman" has a name -- it's Melissa McCarthy. She's had, since 2011, five films make over 100 million domestic in box office. The one that made only 44 million -- St. Vincent -- starred Bill Murray.

That is box office draw any way you look at it.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/...samccarthy.htm

StoryWriter 07-16-2016 06:10 PM

Re: Ghostbusters Trailer
 
I saw that there was a new Ghostbusters movie and thought, after all these years they finally made another one. I watched the first one when it came out -- thought it was entertaining, but it didn't rock my world. I thought the second one was kind of stupid. About a year ago, I re-watched the original and thought it was kind of stupid. Just my opinion.

Anyway, I decided to watch the trailer for the new one and thought, like a lot of current movies, it was a little long on gross gags, and I wasn't impressed. (I also thought, if this was the good stuff, this movie has problems.)

I didn't even think about the fact that the leads were women until I saw this thread.

But now if I think the movie (according to the trailer) looks stupid, I guess that makes me a "misogynist" and a "hater". It's like third-grader calling me a "poopy head" because I don't want to play marbles with him.


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