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Patrick Sweeney 10-18-2012 07:42 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
I guess I could try querying my latest script with, "Just cast Angelina Jolie, Denzel Washington, and either Kristen Stewart or Jennifer Lawrence -- guaranteed blockbuster!"

But I think studios are going to need a little more to go on before they drop $100+ million on it.

halloweenjak 10-18-2012 07:44 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deion22 (Post 833535)
I think people are missing what HALLOWEENJAK is saying. or maybe I'm misunderstanding. Let's take Tarrantino's history out of the convo. What I think he is saying, if an average JOE queried with a script that was like PULP FICTION, execs would pass reading on the script. Because it doesn't really have a concise logline.

For example a script that rocks and sold for a million dollars, PRISONERS doesn't not have a really compelling logline. But the script is f*cking awesome. I think the point he is trying to make and kind of what BDZ said, there are a lot of scripts that have great loglines that suck. There are also scripts that don't have compelling loglines that are awesome scripts. HEAT is a perfect example.

That's my point.

If "Remains of the Day" hadn't caught the attention of James Ivory and Ismael Merchant through an award winning novel, and came to them cold...

Well, they probably still would've produced it because they're decent discerning guys...

But would another producer look twice at a logline that entailed a butler who can't express his feeling for a house maid? Today? In this "Avengers" climate?

Of course if you didn't like or see "Remains of the Day" and think the world is better off with easy to encapsulate concepts and don't care for slow thoughtful movies like "Last Picture Show" or "Door in the Floor", then you're getting your wish.

I'd love to see a sellable logline for "Lost in Translation" without a mention of Bill Murray or the name Coppola. ( since Pulp Fiction seems to be stumping y'all )

I'm just saying this shortcut to thinking had probably caused a few gems to fall through the cracks of the system. Reading even three pages of a script will tell you whether or not someone can write. A logline won't tell you a thing other than someone has an idea for a movie.

Of course in a world where concept is king, that's all that matters.

JeffLowell 10-18-2012 07:49 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
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emily blake 10-18-2012 07:50 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
It's a world of bullets, heroin, accidental murders, a gimp, cheeseburgers and general shenanigans in a series of stories about the bizarre characters who swirl around the badass gangster who runs Los Angeles.

Now can we get back to the Black List?

Richmond Weems 10-18-2012 07:50 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
Here you go. If there's any flicks in this list where concept is not king, then you're absolutely right. They don't make flicks like that anymore. Ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_in_film

HH

halloweenjak 10-18-2012 07:53 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emily blake (Post 833544)
It's a world of bullets, heroin, accidental murders, a gimp, cheeseburgers and general shenanigans in a series of stories about the bizarre characters who swirl around the badass gangster who runs Los Angeles.

Now can we get back to the Black List?

Fail.

ATB 10-18-2012 07:56 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
Now you're talking about an adaptation, Jak. You're grasping at straws. And you're displaying a basic misunderstanding about how this industry works. Adaptations are so fvcking different from specs it's like another world.

emily blake 10-18-2012 07:58 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
I'm guessing we're so far off track that it's never coming back. If you've got something to say about the Black List, say it. My finger is hovering over the "close thread" button.

halloweenjak 10-18-2012 07:59 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ATB (Post 833548)
Now you're talking about an adaptation, Jak. You're grasping at straws. And you're displaying a basic misunderstanding about how this industry works. Adaptations are so fvcking different from specs it's like another world.

You're swearing which means you're getting frustrated by logic.

It's a simple question. It takes into account precisely how the industry which places such a high value on a sentence or two works, or doesn't work for that matter and lets good scripts slip through their fingers all the time because they can be distilled to a sentence.

Pulp Fiction, dude.

Give me a sellable logline or stfu about it.

goldmund 10-18-2012 08:00 PM

Re: The New Black List
 
Man, you keep calling upon AUTEURS.

Writers/directors. What's more, already in the loop.

You can't sell an unknown, an outsider, on the basis of his unique subtlety in matters of style and execution. You need to kick down the door.

Quote:

Originally Posted by halloweenjak (Post 833541)
That's my point.

If "Remains of the Day" hadn't caught the attention of James Ivory and Ismael Merchant through an award winning novel, and came to them cold...

Well, they probably still would've produced it because they're decent discerning guys...

But would another producer look twice at a logline that entailed a butler who can't express his feeling for a house maid? Today? In this "Avengers" climate?

Of course if you didn't like or see "Remains of the Day" and think the world is better off with easy to encapsulate concepts and don't care for slow thoughtful movies like "Last Picture Show" or "Door in the Floor", then you're getting your wish.

I'd love to see a sellable logline for "Lost in Translation" without a mention of Bill Murray or the name Coppola. ( since Pulp Fiction seems to be stumping y'all )

I'm just saying this shortcut to thinking had probably caused a few gems to fall through the cracks of the system. Reading even three pages of a script will tell you whether or not someone can write. A logline won't tell you a thing other than someone has an idea for a movie.

Of course in a world where concept is king, that's all that matters.



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