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Old 03-30-2015, 07:07 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by entlassen View Post
Sociopaths are characterized by their greed and lack of empathy for others. If Hitler had lacked empathy he wouldn't have done all the good he did for Germans in the 1930s. Sociopathic leaders don't, for example, end unemployment, build highways, ensure their people have affordable transportation, restructure an outdated military, or oversee an aesthetic overhaul of their country.
Uhhh... bread and circuses is a pretty standard way of winning over a population.

And as for "aesthetic overhaul", you think that stuff like "The Great German Art Exhibition" and its counterpoint "Degenerate Art" show qualifies as an "aesthetic overhaul"? Have you seen the soulless crap that was pronounced worthy? It's laughable, didactic garbage. I'll give you that the Nazi Party branding in and of itself was a work of arch genius (including Leni Refiensthal's all-too-seductive propaganda films, and the Swastika probably ranks with the Coca Cola logo as the best corporate iconography of all time), but would you genuinely put that on the positive side of the ledger?

Originally Posted by entlassen View Post
Instead they steal the country's wealth, live in palaces eating and fornicating all day, and either let everything go to crap or turn the country into a prison camp like the USSR.
Hitler's sociopathy manifested in constructing a fantasyland with him as the Wizard of Oz. He didn't necessarily steal wealth (although others did plenty of that). He stole souls.

Originally Posted by entlassen View Post
If you want to interpret this as "defending Nazis" or whatever, fine. To me it's simply a question of historical objectivity. Never forget that for decades, maybe even a century after his reign and eventual downfall, Napoleon Bonaparte was considered a supremely evil man, a lunatic, and a monster. Today, no serious historian, not even the ones critical of his life, would refer to him as any of that. As we get further away from WWII, Hitler will undoubtedly undergo a critical reassessment similar to countless leaders before him. That's pretty much what history is about: getting clearer picture of what happened, and why.
Oh, FFS.

I'd bet that Goering -- a brilliant journeyman opportunist -- knew that Hitler was off his head. But off his head in just the right way at just the right time in just the right place.

We're deep in Godwin's Law here, but yes, it does look a hell of a lot like you're defending Nazis, or at the least coming close to it.
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