Shooting a person

[Geoff Alexander]

Originally Posted by sbbn

I think it's a pretty broad generalization. I deal with quite few people getting shot and "in most cases" I see people aren't dropping from getting shot (except for the shots to head or heart) and in my experience the whole getting knocked off your feet from getting shot is pretty much garbage, at least as far as handguns go (seen a few people shot with other stuff but most of what I see is handguns).

Are you a trauma surgeon in a high crime city? What brings you in contact with so many gunshot victims?

[GI_Jeep]

Originally Posted by sbbn

I think it's a pretty broad generalization. I deal with quite few people getting shot and "in most cases" I see people aren't dropping from getting shot (except for the shots to head or heart) and in my experience the whole getting knocked off your feet from getting shot is pretty much garbage, at least as far as handguns go (seen a few people shot with other stuff but most of what I see is handguns).

I'm on my 6th combat deployment. My experiences are my own and I've SEEN people get shot and immediately fall down - all the time. I've SEEN people even in body armor collapse from impact. Rarely do I see anyone keep running.

I'm not here to get into a pissing contest. You have your experiences as a lawyer and I have mine from fighting wars professionally. Our views and experiences are going to vary based on conditions.

[Hilander]

GI Jeep,

A) Thank you for your continuing service. Many of my friends have deployed to the sand box, may you come home safely as well.
B) I think they don't understand what the difference in energy/power is between a rifle like the AK-47 (7.62x39 mm) that you face, and the pistol round.

Pistol: Muzzle energy of a .40 S&W - 352 ft/lbs.
Rifle: Energy of a 7.62x39 mm at 100 yards - 1180 ft/lbs

For the math challenged that is 335% GREATER power in the rifle round from 100 yards away than a hot pistol round point blank.
If you really think that a person getting hit with more than 3x the force is going to react the same way, you are flat out wrong.

[nojustice]

The underlying reality of this conversation is too macabre for me.

Whatever has the most appropriate dramatic effect. Watch Full Metal Jacket.

To continue running will have a very emotional cinematic effect, but so can dropping them. There is an eerie silence when they fall. Protracted agony is dramatic as well, although not all that realistic as I've heard they don't feel pain until much later.

I've also heard that when people get stabbed during a fight they don't even notice.

Depends on what you need it to achieve.

(nice to see you again sbbn)

[Richmond Weems]

What does David Steinberg say?

HH

[sbbn]

Originally Posted by mswriterj

Wow. That's crazy that they went straight through! I stand corrected. I'll amend my post to say, "In theory..."

Yeah, shocked the hell out of me too. I kinda bought into the whole hollow-point .40/.45 will stop a person and won't go right through. Maybe that's true in certain cases but it wasn't in this last situation I saw. I don't have any studies or statistics to rely on but seeing this guy's case definitely made me rethink the whole 9 vs .40/.45 and FMJ vs hollow point debate, at least to the extent it isn't as absolute as people have told me.

[sbbn]

Originally Posted by SBScript

Are you a trauma surgeon in a high crime city? What brings you in contact with so many gunshot victims?

Prosecutor who handles (among other things) homicides and various other shooting cases. One of the "perks" of being the prosecutor is that in addition to seeing the crime scene and victims I get to talk to forensic investigators, gun experts, trauma surgeons, ER doctors, and the coroner about what I see and listen to their incredible expertise and learn stuff that is way beyond what I know.

[nojustice]

Originally Posted by haroldhecuba

What does David Steinberg say?

HH

He says you're stalking me.

[sbbn]

Originally Posted by GI_Jeep

I'm on my 6th combat deployment. My experiences are my own and I've SEEN people get shot and immediately fall down - all the time. I've SEEN people even in body armor collapse from impact. Rarely do I see anyone keep running.

I'm not here to get into a pissing contest. You have your experiences as a lawyer and I have mine from fighting wars professionally. Our views and experiences are going to vary based on conditions.

I don't disagree. My experiences are (generally) handguns. I'm guessing yours are typically assault weapons. No question that those are going to effect the results. I'm not trying to make broad sweeping generalizations about all situations but more just commenting that absolutism is typically not correct. I'm sure you've seen, as I have, people get shot once and die and others get shot 5 times and recover completely. There are a lot of factors as to what happens when someone gets shot.

[sbbn]

Originally Posted by nojustice

(nice to see you again sbbn)

Thanks Sometimes I get busy with work and don't get much chance to play online. Last couple months have been prepping for a homicide trial and now that the trial is over it's back to reading and playing!