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Old 07-27-2010, 04:55 PM   #11
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Where are you getting "eighty big budget movies a year".
It's a dark, hot, cramped and stinky place known formally as the rectum.
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:19 PM   #12
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Karate Kid negative cost was about $40M...it's done about $170M domestically so far. Without any A-list movie stars.

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Old 07-27-2010, 05:20 PM   #13
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it's a cyclical business. it's starting to feel like the 1960's again when all the studios wanted big massive productions (CLEOPATRA anyone?). then came the 70's, a wave of lower budget more independent films which hit a chord with audiences. then the eighties, where big action movies forced production costs to sky rocket again. then the indie movement in the mid 90's which lasted until the mid-00's (until LOTR & superhero hits) which takes us to today.

the grass will always be greener, but fortunately the business seems to rotate crops.

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Old 07-27-2010, 06:55 PM   #14
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Where are you getting "eighty big budget movies a year".
Bollywood?
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:11 PM   #15
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Has Prince of Persia really made a lot of money?
$327m - and still in play. It will probably break even in cinemas, and be in profit on DVD - because (oddly enough) big movies do better on DVD than small ones.

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Believe domestically it did sh*t business.
Sure - but why would you exclude the rest of the world, unless you were doing it just to make your point?

SORCERER'S APPRENTICE hasn't even been out in the USA for 2 weeks! Hasn't opened in most foreign territories, either - how can we know what it will make without a crystal ball?

And how can you be ahead of the curve if the road is curving the other way?

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Old 07-27-2010, 09:37 PM   #16
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If you're interested in seeing how a studio turns almost a billion in box office into a loss of 127 million-- http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/stud...ey-accounting/
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:40 PM   #17
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If you're interested in seeing how a studio turns almost a billion in box office into a loss of 127 million-- http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/stud...ey-accounting/
That was a $127 million loss for the studio. The studio may not have seen the profits from that film, but believe me especially because an extra $127 million was added to the pool of profits where there otherwise wouldn't be, many people got filthy rich off of that film.
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:55 PM   #18
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That was a $127 million loss for the studio. The studio may not have seen the profits from that film, but believe me especially because an extra $127 million was added to the pool of profits where there otherwise wouldn't be, many people got filthy rich off of that film.
Nathan, I think you missed the truth about studio accounting -- they claim they didn't make any money on the movie, but the truth is they made a whole lot of money and have figured out how to charge against the production. Their fees aren't part of their profits, but their fees are part of their bottom lines. It's how the studios make sure net deals are worthless while still turning a hefty profit.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:17 AM   #19
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Nathan, I think you missed the truth about studio accounting -- they claim they didn't make any money on the movie, but the truth is they made a whole lot of money and have figured out how to charge against the production. Their fees aren't part of their profits, but their fees are part of their bottom lines. It's how the studios make sure net deals are worthless while still turning a hefty profit.
Ah. I see your point. I'm sure there were ramifications within taxes that reinforce this as well.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:23 AM   #20
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2009 - record year for box office *and* for ticket sales, starting in *January* of that year and continuing throughout.

2010 - started slow, and though we will not have a record for ticket sales, we will have a very good year in box office (up 4.3% over last year's record).

The studio system is strong...

Indies are dying or dead - they closed the doors at Miramax, and most of the indie distribs that were strong ten years ago are out of business... because people seem less interested in seeing those films right now.

As for the tentpole vs. tentpole thing - just look at this weekend. SALT was pegged to make $30m, with INCEPTION back at #1 with $40m... except *both films* made more than what was expected. The funny thing about supply and demand is that when demand is great, if one big film sells out the other big films benefit... as do the cinema's concession stands.

And a $200m movie doesn't just make $200m... Let's look at a *flop* - PRINCE OF PERSIA, budgeted at $200m. It has made $326,923,435 so far in cinemas. That is not a hit at all. CLASH OF THE TITANS remake - made about half a billion... a minor hit. ALICE IN WONDERLAND - over a billion on a budget of... $200m.

So a $200m tentpole *flop* can make over $326m, and a *hit* can make over a billion...

You do the math.

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I don't argue that the studios are strong but 326 million on a 200 million budget doesn't even break even when you add in P&A. P&A costs run about 300 million on a 200 million budget. So yeah, that movie needs to make a shitload to breakeven.

But they don't care because it's about video game sales which is where they'll make all their money.
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