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Old 07-31-2019, 10:01 AM   #11
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Iím afraid of being accused of cultural appropriation. True story.
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Every writer is driven by insecurity. If they are legit though, that's not a bad scenario. At least it's a TV show and a film spec. I was worried it was 2 unsold film specs...

But I understand, it's always better to have options. And sometimes producers slow the process down. And if they don't like it at the end of all that time, you can't really do anything with it because they helped you develop it... So sure I got those points too. But finding someone else to love your idea isn't always easy either... there are pros and cons to this all.

I'm most confused by wanting to get a writing partner for the specific location. That's a whole other can of worms. Why would you do that to yourself?
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:30 PM   #12
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Be fearless. Blame the producers. I hear you though.
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Old 08-01-2019, 04:23 PM   #13
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Iím afraid of being accused of cultural appropriation. True story.

True story. I was accused of that ***AND I'M BROWN***. Wtf? It's gotten silly. Absolutely fukkin silly...
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Old 08-01-2019, 04:51 PM   #14
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I can't wait until we get to the point that only actual Nazis can play them on the silver screen... where unless you fought in WW 2 you can't pretend you did and of course if you pretend to be someone you're not in real life in every single way you are murdered.

I think you're talking about something else, but I'm stuck on this idea.

Like I don't understand how you can say only people in wheelchairs should play a wheelchair part and people that can walk shouldn't play them. Or if you're not gay you shouldn't play gay. Or if you're gay you can't play transgender. But isn't the goal that the wheelchair person can be the lead in a romantic comedy and the wheelchair isn't even mentioned? Like if Harry Met Sally and Harry was in a wheelchair, maybe there's 1 joke about it, but they just hired the best actor? Isn't that the goal. Isn't it almost worse to force people into roles where they can only play themselves?

Yes, I get there are so few roles for this type of person like Asian roles, but isn't the goal to make all roles just roles for everyone? That should be the goal. Sure it's weird when they cast a white lady to play an Asian part, but they keep casting dumb white men (mostly) to lead us into hell in real life so why should hollywood be any better?
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:02 PM   #15
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Think they're called 'actors' for a reason.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:01 PM   #16
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I can't wait until we get to the point that only actual Nazis can play them on the silver screen... where unless you fought in WW 2 you can't pretend you did and of course if you pretend to be someone you're not in real life in every single way you are murdered.

I think you're talking about something else, but I'm stuck on this idea.

Like I don't understand how you can say only people in wheelchairs should play a wheelchair part and people that can walk shouldn't play them. Or if you're not gay you shouldn't play gay. Or if you're gay you can't play transgender. But isn't the goal that the wheelchair person can be the lead in a romantic comedy and the wheelchair isn't even mentioned? Like if Harry Met Sally and Harry was in a wheelchair, maybe there's 1 joke about it, but they just hired the best actor? Isn't that the goal. Isn't it almost worse to force people into roles where they can only play themselves?

Yes, I get there are so few roles for this type of person like Asian roles, but isn't the goal to make all roles just roles for everyone? That should be the goal. Sure it's weird when they cast a white lady to play an Asian part, but they keep casting dumb white men (mostly) to lead us into hell in real life so why should hollywood be any better?
Ha! 1,000,000% agree!

Inclusion is not REAL inclusion if you're only allowed to play your mutha-fukkin stereotype. WHAT???

For example: Idris Elba IS the modern day Bond. Period! And don't make it racial. Do not mention his race through the entire movie. And no... "How do we make him do BLACK sh!t." That would be actual progress.

Do you meet a black executive (not that I ever have) and discuss their blackness? NO! It's irrelevant. Same reason I HATED Black Panther (seriously? Black people chucking spears... again? No!).

No apologies for my position on this....
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:26 PM   #17
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As a 41 year old guy from Boston who loves to be inclusive but make jokes about race, religion and the like, I would do all those bad things if i was friends with the person. But that's the stand up comedian mentally and how I see the world. When people say they don't see race, I assume that means they're blind. I never understood that B.S. Yeah, I see she's fat. And he's not. And she's black. And he's white. And she's gay and he's not. But guess what, I may make jokes about it all, but they're all treated the same by me. With sarcasm and love.

Of course Idris would be a great bond. Just make sure he's not a black american guy -- that's just too much for them.

I didn't see Black Panther, but yeah I was thinking this seems vaguely racist. Which is always so Hollywood. Um, can we have a black spiderman? Maybe in the cartoon and don't worry we are going to have a whole black cast for this new superhero? Is it superman? Nope, it's Black Panther! Oh great....
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As a 41 year old guy from Boston who loves to be inclusive but make jokes about race, religion and the like, I would do all those bad things if i was friends with the person. But that's the stand up comedian mentally and how I see the world. When people say they don't see race, I assume that means they're blind. I never understood that B.S. Yeah, I see she's fat. And he's not. And she's black. And he's white. And she's gay and he's not. But guess what, I may make jokes about it all, but they're all treated the same by me. With sarcasm and love.

Of course Idris would be a great bond. Just make sure he's not a black american guy -- that's just too much for them.

I didn't see Black Panther, but yeah I was thinking this seems vaguely racist. Which is always so Hollywood. Um, can we have a black spiderman? Maybe in the cartoon and don't worry we are going to have a whole black cast for this new superhero? Is it superman? Nope, it's Black Panther! Oh great....

Ha! Dude... we have the same brain. Yup. THAT!
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Ha! 1,000,000% agree!

Inclusion is not REAL inclusion if you're only allowed to play your mutha-fukkin stereotype. WHAT???

For example: Idris Elba IS the modern day Bond. Period! And don't make it racial. Do not mention his race through the entire movie. And no... "How do we make him do BLACK sh!t." That would be actual progress.

Do you meet a black executive (not that I ever have) and discuss their blackness? NO! It's irrelevant. Same reason I HATED Black Panther (seriously? Black people chucking spears... again? No!).

No apologies for my position on this....
My dad wrote for a conservative Washington DC magazine that was sometimes called racist. (Nothing like what's going on these days.) John was another writer there, who happened to be black. At a press party a liberal white guy introduced John this way to his friends: "This is my Black friend, John."

When I mentioned this on a different forum, years ago, I caught hell.

"Well HOW would YOU introduce him?", they demanded to know.

How about: "This is John?" or "This is my friend, John?"

Maybe it's just me, but I would think someone with a functioning set of eyes could probably figure out John was Black all on his own. And someone with a functioning brain wouldn't care what color John was. After all, he was a journalist at a party full of journalists.
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My dad wrote for a conservative Washington DC magazine that was sometimes called racist. (Nothing like what's going on these days.) John was another writer there, who happened to be black. At a press party a liberal white guy introduced John this way to his friends: "This is my Black friend, John."

When I mentioned this on a different forum, years ago, I caught hell.

"Well HOW would YOU introduce him?", they demanded to know.

How about: "This is John?" or "This is my friend, John?"

Maybe it's just me, but I would think someone with a functioning set of eyes could probably figure out John was Black all on his own. And someone with a functioning brain wouldn't care what color John was. After all, he was a journalist at a party full of journalists.
Haha... RIGHT!? Everyone's "appearance" (black, white, tall, short, etc) is blatantly obvious.

Yup, "This is my friend, John." Unless he ain't actually your friend. Meaning, you don't like the dude. LOL. I'm not a fan of "ultra-progressive" liberals liking black people BECAUSE they're black. That gets into that creepy GET OUT territory.

Here's something no white guy ever said "This is my white friend, John."

Good story!

ps... interesting about your dad being a writer for a conservative DC mag. I have a conservative writer in my family too (white side) presidential speech writer. Maybe they knew each other? Though, I'm not conservative, I respect the workload and pressure the man dealt with as a writer. I can't imagine having the write a State of The Union in 24 hours then read to the world live.
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