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Old 03-27-2006, 03:10 AM   #11
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Oh - and one more thing: in Australia/New Zealand (that is, Oceania) there is no such thing as "the Orient", except as a political comment about racism and racialism. Apart from Edward Said, I don't think anyone could seriously call it that again - not in academic or political circles. And that's been entrenched for decades now. It is absolutely and irrevocably "Asia" with occasional distinctions between South East Asia and Asia Minor.

But that's here. Doesn't sound like the case over there. Interesting the different perceptions on the different continents...
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Old 03-27-2006, 03:35 AM   #12
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yeah, referring to "the Orient" would certainly be archaic (unless discussing food or culture etc) but nothing more than that. "Oriental" is still perfectly common and neutral, and political correctness is rampant in this country.

Would the following usage be taboo in Oz and the US?

An oriental dream: Shakespeare's tale of star-crossed lovers, warring fairies and bumbling handymen has been told and re-told over the centuries. The Royal Theatre's new production promises to give a new, Oriental gloss to a popular story....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northamptonshire/stage/dream.shtml
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Old 03-27-2006, 05:17 AM   #13
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Interesting "theory" about a geopolitical agenda:

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Anyway, that usage of "Oriental" has survived a long time, and it still frequently carries all of the exotic/foreign/inscrutable/mysterious connotations. These connotations happen to coincide with many of the stereotypes held of Asian Americans. Furthermore, by definition, the word "Oriental" is Eurocentric, referring to things east of Europe. For these reasons, some Asian American activist types decided that "Oriental" was a Bad Word, and that "Asian" was more accurate, less Eurocentric, and less loaded with strange connotations. No big deal, right?
http://www.modelminority.com/modules...rticle&sid=183

sorry for the thread hijack... I'm going to post a list of HK and Korean prodcos this week to make up for it and see if we can't find something out about the Oriental lit market.

My laptop is from Japan and the keyboard has Kanji characters and it gets ハナソノニミキ チミミランing as hell when I mistype the mystery "kanji on" hot key and can't turn the モラカクイスハナソノイス kanji back of!!

But I reckon I could be in with an advantage there.

I was watching a presumably serious doc about Bollywood UK on BBC2 a few weeks ago. It followed a famous, mainstream (in India) producer/director who was shooting an English language movie in London... it was great fun but he was basically making soft porno. He cast Jason Connery. imdb... Private Moments (like I say, surprised he wasn't sued by a certain European prodco for trademark infringement, pure smut). Quite sad, really. This is the kind of product I was alluding to in my earlier reply--is there any "serious" English-language filmmaking by Asian directors that's specifically targeted at "Asian territories".
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Old 03-27-2006, 09:20 AM   #14
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Thanks guys, that's actually what I thought but wanted a confirmation on this.
Well Nic, I will wait for more news on this
B-Cup, always a great source. Thanks again for all the clarifications.
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Old 03-27-2006, 09:49 AM   #15
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Yes Holy crap, my bad and I apologize for the wrong use of wording.
I meant Asian.
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Old 03-27-2006, 05:49 PM   #16
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Interesting "theory" about a geopolitical agenda:


http://www.modelminority.com/modules...rticle&sid=183

sorry for the thread hijack... I'm going to post a list of HK and Korean prodcos this week to make up for it and see if we can't find something out about the Oriental lit market.

My laptop is from Japan and the keyboard has Kanji characters and it gets ハナソノニミキ チミミランing as hell when I mistype the mystery "kanji on" hot key and can't turn the モラカクイスハナソノイス kanji back of!!

But I reckon I could be in with an advantage there.

I was watching a presumably serious doc about Bollywood UK on BBC2 a few weeks ago. It followed a famous, mainstream (in India) producer/director who was shooting an English language movie in London... it was great fun but he was basically making soft porno. He cast Jason Connery. imdb... Private Moments (like I say, surprised he wasn't sued by a certain European prodco for trademark infringement, pure smut). Quite sad, really. This is the kind of product I was alluding to in my earlier reply--is there any "serious" English-language filmmaking by Asian directors that's specifically targeted at "Asian territories".
After reading that link, I get why it is very passe, and even quaint language. Wouldn't be too surprised to hear someone over 80 using it to describe cultural artefacts or even, at a stretch, a person as being "Oriental". Thing is, it ain't EAST of us! It's north, actually. Probably why the word moved on so early. Once realised that we actually exist, and not every aspect of life, culture and the universe is measured in terms of its distance from Europe (now America), the word went along with referring to England as "the motherland" and the US as "the New World".

I think it's as simple as geography - it's not east of us, so why would we call it "the east"?

Interesting thread, though. Also keen to hear about some of these prodcos as they're my most likely market at the moment.
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Old 03-27-2006, 06:53 PM   #17
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There's a prodco in Thailand called World Media, a partnership between Steven Seagal and Jimmy Moy. They produced Dragon Squad, starring Sammo Hung. Don't have info for it, though, sorry.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:22 AM   #18
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slappy, I get it now.

What an Occidental thread.
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Old 03-28-2006, 03:59 AM   #19
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I don't get it. Please explain.
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Old 03-28-2006, 04:34 AM   #20
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Well I don't know, nic, I assume Slappy was poking fun at "political correctness" with that quote. Benefit of the doubt and everything. If not, shame on Slappy for making insinuations and subverting the topic to a discussion about race.

Oriental is only "racist" to Americans and Aussies who don't have passports. Also, I think you will find that Asian is actually somewhat more likely than "Oriental" to cause offense if used as a catch-all term in East Asia. Maybe someone has evidence to the contrary?
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