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  • #46
    Re: Quentin Tarantino's Next Project....

    I know he's not going to. But Tarantino should do another film. This movie is gonna be somewhat offensive. I write edgy stuff -- but this movie seems like it might be a bad idea. I'm interested to see what the public thinks when this movie opens.

    I know Tarantino's intentions are right, but the way this script reads.... I'll be surprised if Will Smith does this movie. If he does do it, I think he'll try and impose a rewrite.

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    • #47
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      Reading it right now. I've only made it to 70 of this 163 page beast but I'm already beginning to think this might be a little too distasteful. It think it's turning a little too much into slave society torture porn flick.

      I know some criticized Inglorious Basterds for it's popcorn approach to the serious subject of WWII and Nazis and Jews while most found it acceptable enough. But with Django I feel he's crossing another line all together.

      In Inglorious Basterds QT steered clear of the whole issues of Concentration camps all together, but imagine this:

      What if he had long sequences in the movie where the Basterds were thrown in a concentration camp and worked until they were emaciated all the while men, women, and children were being starved and worked to death and gassed all around them, and all done with the same cavalier kind of Tarantino super violence he's known for.

      I think that gives you an idea of Django Unchained if you haven't read it already.

      I'll come back after I've gotten through this gruesome epic and update with my thoughts of the whole script.

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      • #48
        Re: Quentin Tarantino's Next Project....

        Just finished it, I really liked it but this film is going to piss a lot of people off, there's just no way around that. This is easily the riskiest film Taratino has ever done. I'm glad he went for it.

        Still don't see Will Smith as Django...
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        • #49
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          I think people are right that the script at times feels like a slavery torture porn flick. For what I have read, his depiction is a pretty sanitized version of what slavery really was like in the South. But still very brutal.

          Where I think that Quentin has failed in this script is the toned down revenge factor in this script. Django has gone through hell and back, but when he takes revenge it is very weak and all not brutal. Especially when you consider what three men made him and his wife do. You would think that he would have went off on these guys, ala SAW.

          If you are going to show slavers brutalizing, humiliating, killing slaves, I want to see that come back ten fold to the slavers in the most brutal way.

          As of now, it is one sided brutality towards slaves that is off putting and not balanced, with an equally and more brutal revenge towards the slavers. Maybe Quentin should have lunch with his good friend Eli Roth to get an idea of what revenge, torture porn really looks like.

          In I.B. the bastards give back increasingly more brutality as the movie went on. We need more of this in this script.

          Of course, this won't go well with some folks, but who cares. If Quentin wants to go this route, with this type of bold script, then he should go all for it.

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          • #50
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            I personally find Tyler Perry's Madea films more culturally offensive than Django Unchained. Just saying.
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            • #51
              Re: Quentin Tarantino's Next Project....

              Originally posted by RyanJackson View Post
              I personally find Tyler Perry's Madea films more culturally offensive than Django Unchained. Just saying.
              High five on this point...

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              • #52
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                I just wanted to clarify my problem with Django Unchained wasn't what he showed but the way he showed it. A movie about slavery should be Shindler's List not Pulp Fiction. Trying to make a funny revenge action flick out of an event as horrifying, traumatizing, and depressing as slavery is just a mistake in my opinion. Like I said before imagine if Inglorious Basterds was set in a concentration camp. No amount of Nazi killing would really justify making a mockery of such an traumatic, inhuman, real life situation.

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                • #53
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                  Originally posted by Archduke View Post
                  I just wanted to clarify my problem with Django Unchained wasn't what he showed but the way he showed it. A movie about slavery should be Shindler's List not Pulp Fiction. Trying to make a funny revenge action flick out of an event as horrifying, traumatizing, and depressing as slavery is just a mistake in my opinion. Like I said before imagine if Inglorious Basterds was set in a concentration camp. No amount of Nazi killing would really justify making a mockery of such an traumatic, inhuman, real life situation.
                  My friend and I had this same discussion a few years ago. He said he didn't like Tarantino and I was shocked. Then he explained why and it was the insouciant approach to human death, rape and torture that bothered him. My friend doesn't have a problem with violence in films at all, as long as it's approached with the gravitas it warrants. He asked what is it in human nature that makes this entertaining. It really made me think. Should Tarantino be blamed for the way his characters - not him - but his characters deal with violence? Certainly some slave-owners were cavalier in their indecency. In The Dark Knight, I've almost never seen a character more sadistic in the Joker. I don't know, and I'm all over the place with this post, but as a writer, I think of this often. I feel responsible as a writer. I'm a little more forgiving than my friend, but Tarantino has already pushed it to the edge with me, as a viewer. Torture porn I don't get - at all. I was looking forward to the film but now I'm not so sure.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Quentin Tarantino's Next Project....

                    Originally posted by Archduke View Post
                    I just wanted to clarify my problem with Django Unchained wasn't what he showed but the way he showed it. A movie about slavery should be Shindler's List not Pulp Fiction.
                    Hmmm...I find this interesting. I certainly respect your opinion on this matter but disagree with the premise. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you're saying it's dangerous to make a movie like DJANGO UNCHAINED because it may trivialize a serious subject matter. What exactly is the net effect of this? I don't think any reasonable person who after reading this script thought slavery itself was less traumatic or inhuman. Certainly DJANGO UNCHAINED will be a polarizing, even controversial, piece of work, but it's not a work of hate.

                    To me, I think it's more dangerous to say, as an absolute, that some subject matters can only be artistically approached a certain way. Once we start declaring there's a wrong way and a right way to do art/entertainment, we're down a slippery slope.
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                    • #55
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                      Originally posted by The White Album View Post
                      Hmmm...I find this interesting. I certainly respect your opinion on this matter but disagree with the premise. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you're saying it's dangerous to make a movie like DJANGO UNCHAINED because it may trivialize a serious subject matter. What exactly is the net effect of this? I don't think any reasonable person who after reading this script thought slavery itself was less traumatic or inhuman. Certainly DJANGO UNCHAINED will be a polarizing, even controversial, piece of work, but it's not a work of hate.

                      To me, I think it's more dangerous to say, as an absolute, that some subject matters can only be artistically approached a certain way. Once we start declaring there's a wrong way and a right way to do art/entertainment, we're down a slippery slope.
                      Damn it, I may have to read it after this discussion. You make a very valid argument and it's very interesting to me. Certainly, right way and wrong way to do something is subjective. I wonder, is it responsible? Should it be responsible? Or does it not matter when it's considered art? Maybe any awareness is good. Why does torture (if it is in fact torture porn-esque) entertain some and turn others off?

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                      • #56
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                        I'm a huge Tarantino fan. Huge. I write edgy and very dark things. But my problem with this movie is SLAVERY is a very dark part of history. And somethings in this script -- just seem to be too comical, where it comes off somewhat disrespectful.

                        I'll just say one thing -- there a re a couple lines in this script, that unfortunately I see people making jokes about after this film comes out. One being, I already can see some racist saying he's going to go look for some PONYS after the movie. And some other things. I think this is a very sensitive subject matter, and some people already have said they feel Tarantino is a lil too loose with some racial slurs.

                        Now I don't agree with that, nor do I think Tarantino is a racist, or is trying to offend anyone.

                        I'm just saying this movie, might put a light on Tarantino that may take away from his greatness. And also, not in dialogue, but action lines the N WORD has to be used like 75 times. That was a lil uneasy reading, since it wasn't being used in dialogue.

                        And know I think he deserves the right to make the movie he wants, I just think someone should pull him aside and tell him he needs to make some changes or give him another view. I love dark material, and I have a period piece that has lots of offensive language in it, and racial overtones, but it's approached in a more serious manor. This kind of comes off a lil too much PULP FICTION and he's dealing with SLAVERY.

                        I like the analogy of the Holocaust, I think people would be very offended if someone made a movie that seemed humorous dealing with that subject matter.

                        I know DENZEL and Tarantino are in a better space now, but Denzel and others were pissed about some of his movies. That's why I would be very surprised if WILL SMITH did this movie, and didn't ask for a rewrite of some sort, if he does it at all.

                        I'm sure this movie will be controversial when released and maybe that's what the studio wants because controversy equals $$$. I just hope Tarantino's image and legacy and rep isn't hurt by this project, because I think the guy is brilliant.
                        Last edited by Deion22; 05-07-2011, 05:55 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Quentin Tarantino's Next Project....

                          Originally posted by Deion22 View Post
                          I'll just say one thing -- there a re a couple lines in this script, that unfortunately I see people making jokes about after this film comes out. One being, I already can see some racist saying he's going to go look for some PONYS after the movie.
                          Even if this was a documentary on slavery that used the term "ponys" for educational purposes, a racist would still come out of the movie and make that joke.

                          Most reasonable people would be profoundly effected by SCHINDLER'S LIST, while Neo-Nazis would probably cheer the Warsaw liquidation scene. Does that mean Spielberg should have never included it?

                          Racist people are going to be racist no matter what.
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                          • #58
                            Re: Quentin Tarantino's Next Project....

                            Originally posted by The White Album View Post
                            Even if this was a documentary on slavery that used the term "ponys" for educational purposes, a racist would still come out of the movie and make that joke.

                            Most reasonable people would be profoundly effected by SCHINDLER'S LIST, while Neo-Nazis would probably cheer the Warsaw liquidation scene. Does that mean Spielberg should have never included it?

                            Racist people are going to be racist no matter what.
                            +1

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                            • #59
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                              I'm for free speech and love QT and think he has the artististic right to make whatever movie he chooses. I write dark subject matter and one day may be in the crosshairs with my material, as he is. I'm just saying I think he should've gone a lil more serious with the subject matter.

                              I respect and love his work, and I'll go see the movie when it opens. Just wish he would've took a different approach to the material.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Quentin Tarantino's Next Project....

                                Originally posted by The White Album View Post
                                Hmmm...I find this interesting. I certainly respect your opinion on this matter but disagree with the premise. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you're saying it's dangerous to make a movie like DJANGO UNCHAINED because it may trivialize a serious subject matter. What exactly is the net effect of this? I don't think any reasonable person who after reading this script thought slavery itself was less traumatic or inhuman. Certainly DJANGO UNCHAINED will be a polarizing, even controversial, piece of work, but it's not a work of hate.

                                To me, I think it's more dangerous to say, as an absolute, that some subject matters can only be artistically approached a certain way. Once we start declaring there's a wrong way and a right way to do art/entertainment, we're down a slippery slope.
                                My phrasing wasn't dangerous. I said in an earlier post that it is kind of distasteful. Imagine if someone wrote this story.

                                Jack Mason was one of the top international business in New York, and when I say top I mean top. He worked on floor 101 of the World Trade Center. You could say he had it made. One morning like any other Jack went to work, dropped his kid off at the WTC daycare and headed up to the floor 101 to get to his daily business. But then suddenly, WHAM! the first plane hits. It's madness everywhere! Explosions! People burning to death! People Jumping out of the towers! Action! Excitement! But luckily Jack thinks quickly and manages to find some silk curtains and fashion together a makeshift parachute. Just as the structure is about to give way Jack jumps from the window and miraculously glides through the debris cloud to safety.

                                But his young son Timothy was not so lucky. Jack curses fate and swears his never ending Vendetta against Al Qaeda. He liquidates all his assets and uses to put together a state of the art Commando squad, complete with wisecracking nerdy guy and big'n'tough black dude.

                                He fights in Afghanistan as a military contractor kicking ass and taking Terrorist names until he is a world class elite super soldier. Utilizing his now super deadly assassin skills and state of the art equipment he becomes Al Qaeda's worst nightmare as he systematically hunts them down like animals in the wild Afghan mountains. He kills his way up the chain of command with the hopes of one day fulfilling his vendetta and satiating his unsatisfiable blood lust!
                                Last edited by Archduke; 05-08-2011, 01:09 PM.

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