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Old 05-15-2018, 06:31 PM   #81
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A writer to admire whose writing voice put catchphrases in the American lexicon:

“Tom Wolfe, Best-Selling Author And Genre-Breaking Journalist Dies At 88”.

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Old 05-15-2018, 07:25 PM   #82
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[quote=StoryWriter;956118]Unfortunately Joe, in my opinion, this is kind of stiff and boring. Too many short sentences, not enough pronouns. The short sentences are grating. Maisy... The rabbit... Maisy... The rabbit... Maisy... I doubt that I could take too many pages of this.

I'm pretty sure the Maisy of 25 years later should be introduced as another character. MAISY FINNEGAN, now thirty, spots a cottontail rabbit,
she crouches and stares. It stops and nibbles on grass,
then pops it head up. Twitching its nose, it smells
scents in the air. Her eyes light up and she smiles.[/code]

-- Okay, thank you for your opinion.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:32 PM   #83
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I didn't find it boring. I took "25 years later" to mean 25 years after World War III knocked everything back to the Stone Age, not that 5-year-old Maisy has now aged to 30.
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:46 PM   #84
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Voice is clearly not a singular variable -- it's compound; a sum total; a multiplication of many variables. And that means voice is somewhat intangible, and it cannot be addressed directly as a whole -- a writer can only address the component parts of their voice.

Yet how can we evaluate the importance of voice when it doesn't even have a proper definition in regard to writing? (Except voice as active/passive for verbs.) Surely we need a definition of voice for our particular purpose?

In the absence of that, here's one of those reverse-engineered acronym things, which are always so totally awesome:

V A L U E S
O P I N I O N S
I M A G I N A T I O N
C H O I C E S
E X E C U T I O N
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:19 PM   #85
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Yet how can we evaluate the importance of voice when it doesn't even have a proper definition in regard to writing? (Except voice as active/passive for verbs.) Surely we need a definition of voice for our particular purpose?

In the absence of that, here's one of those reverse-engineered acronym things, which are always so totally awesome:

V A L U E S
O P I N I O N S
I M A G I N A T I O N
C H O I C E S
E X E C U T I O N

Things in your writing that make US FEEL YOUR STORY is your voice. Your values, opinions, imagination, choices, excution, even your feelings are important only when they stimulate my feelings, making me eager to read on.

Writer's Voice is important because that is how we convey our stories. Without some kind of voice, your story will be nothing but a set of instructions, a dry computer program.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:20 PM   #86
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Writer's Voice is important because that is how we convey our stories. Without some kind of voice, your story will be nothing but a set of instructions, a dry computer program.
I still think the best word to describe voice was used in another thread. Confidence. Maybe add another "c-word," competence, to the mix. It's not a mechanical thing, it can't be reduced to a formula. It's a talent thing, it's built in. You can shunt your talent with mechanical formulas but you can't build talent from "paint-by-number" mechanical formulas.
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:40 AM   #87
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Could screenwriting “voice” be called “texture?” Or is it the omniscient, omnipresent-yet-unseen foremost character of any screenplay, from the beginning, one both detached and yet also involved, one that continually roves from storytelling to dialogue and back again until story's end?

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Old 05-24-2018, 12:09 PM   #88
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Centos, confidence and competence will allow you to develop your voice and to put your voice on the page, but imho confidence and competence are not voice.

Voice is the way you put words on the page. Voice is the vocabulary, sentence structure, dialogue, story structure, etc. you choose to put on the page. Your voice is ultimately what we, readers, feel in the action, description, and dialogue you include in your story. Your voice is how you express yourself on the page.

TigerFang, I am not sure what you mean by calling voice “texture” or “the omniscient, omnipresent yet unseen foremost character of any screenplay…”

I, myself, cannot clearly define screenwriter’s voice, because voice is a combination ingredients. Others have listed ingredients that are included in voice. Voice is how we put our words on the page, just as a singer’s voice is how he or she expresses the lyrics of a song.

You could say that voice gives your story a distinct flavor, if that makes sense. No two stories have the same ingredients. No two stories by two different writers will have the same effect on readers, just as no two dishes by two different cheft’s will have the same effect on pallets. Is that because of the chefts’ different voices? Or is that because tasters have different pallets?

Your Voice is what arouses your readers feelings. Your writer’s voice arouses feelings, just as a singer’s voice arouses feelings.

As we develop our voices, I think we should be concerned with both the ingredients of voice and the affect of our voice.


How do we determine the affect of our voice?
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Old 05-24-2018, 09:13 PM   #89
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Centos, confidence and competence will allow you to develop your voice and to put your voice on the page, but imho confidence and competence are not voice.

Voice is the way you put words on the page. Voice is the vocabulary, sentence structure, dialogue, story structure, etc. you choose to put on the page. Your voice is ultimately what we, readers, feel in the action, description, and dialogue you include in your story. Your voice is how you express yourself on the page.

I see what you're saying. I guess what I meant is that voice is a natural part of writing. It's something that can't be reduced to a formula. It comes naturally with confidence and competence.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:31 PM   #90
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I see what you're saying. I guess what I meant is that voice is a natural part of writing. It's something that can't be reduced to a formula. It comes naturally with confidence and competence.
Hey, Centos. Now I understand what you meant.

To expand on what you wrote, not only is voice a natural part of writing, we each have a natural voice that can be developed. We develop our voice naturally when we write with confidence. The more we read and write with confidence, the more competent we become and the more our voice develops.

Confidence allows us to experiment with different voices, to expand our natural voice, to discover different ways to use our voice,

and to discover how our voice is perceived by others. For example, does my voice sound like someone who knows what he's talking about or does it sound like I am full of it?
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