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Old 09-24-2019, 02:59 PM   #71
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Damn, figment, you're implying I'm a coward. I've constantly posted work over the years for members to review and criticize. I'm not afraid of feedback.

I LOVE FEEDBACK.

In my post #21 in this thread, I gave an example of the TELLING form for one of my own character introductions in my teen romantic drama.

Right now, I've got pages posted for my teen romantic comedy in the script pages forum.

If Done Deal (Will) doesn't mind, I'm willing to post my first opening 10 pages from my newest screenplay, AMERICAN SLAVES, publicly, right here, right now, to be scrutinize and criticized.

After all these years of knowing me in the context of Done Deal, I've got no idea why you would take me for a coward.
You don't need Will's permission to post ten pages. The guidelines of the forum state that you can post up to "5 pages at a time," so there's nothing stopping you from posting them. For example you could do something like this

First thread..
TITLE: AMERICAN SLAVES PAGES 1-5

Second thread:
TITLE: AMERICAN SLAVES PAGES 6-10

All set. Looking forward to reading them.

figment is not calling you a coward-- simply asking you to show your own work as an example instead of quoting a pro writer for your examples. I think it's a fair request.
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:44 PM   #72
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If someone did that to you, I think it might piss you off a bit.
Not at all. You know why? Because I'm confident in my writing and what I'm doing. And Gucci's no newbie. He has the same confidence where if a pro tells him summarizing your characters is not good craft, he's not gonna fall apart. Gucci knows what he's doing is not bad craft and this is what I wanted to get across to other writers.

Gucci said he had no problem with this conversation/discussion, so if he doesn't, then I don't know why you do and cause unnecessary drama.

In fact, this benefits Gucci, drawing attention to his work and writing, which has been nothing but praise.

If he sucked, of course I would never have brought attention to that fact.
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:52 PM   #73
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You don't need Will's permission to post ten pages. The guidelines of the forum state that you can post up to "5 pages at a time," so there's nothing stopping you from posting them. For example you could do something like this

First thread..
TITLE: AMERICAN SLAVES PAGES 1-5

Second thread:
TITLE: AMERICAN SLAVES PAGES 6-10
Thank you for the tutorial, but after being a member for over a decade, I believe I know how the SCRIPT PAGES FORUM works.

I asked permission, because the SCREENWRITING FORUM is not for posting screenplay pages.

figment's point was for me to post my pages publicly, and then be all humiliated as I get pummeled with criticism.

I'm not a newbie. I can handle criticism, if it's not personal, finalact4.
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:15 PM   #74
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My point was not for you to be humiliated -- My point was -- if you want a discussion on how Craig Mazin (a now Emmy winning writer) would CONDEMN a Done Dealer's writing, then you should aim that at YOURSELF, not call out an unsuspecting Done Dealer.

I don't know why that's difficult to understand.

Your entire initial post was in bad faith.

Quit playing the victim.
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:15 PM   #75
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So if you want feedback post the pages in the right forum and we can have a discussion on actual pages that may help you and other writers. Anyone that posts pages is brave in my book.

And it would give us something else to do around here. I love helping other writers and reading feedback because it helps me realize things I'm doing wrong too.

I joked in another thread, but I was serious too -- this is a teaching hospital. Except we don't save lives, we save themes, plots and sometimes act 3!
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:28 PM   #76
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figment, you're entitled to your opinion. Gucci said it was a good thread. A good conversation. His opinion on this matter is the only one I care about.
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:29 PM   #77
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figment, you're entitled to your opinion. Gucci said it was a good thread. A good conversation. His opinion on this matter is the only one I care about.
Now I'm offended!
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:31 PM   #78
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So if you want feedback post the pages in the right forum
The point was for me to post my work publicly for me to be humiliated like I supposedly caused Gucci to be.
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Now I'm offended!
Oops, sorry. That did come off wrong.
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:32 PM   #80
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Thank you for the tutorial, but after being a member for over a decade, I believe I know how the SCRIPT PAGES FORUM works.

I asked permission, because the SCREENWRITING FORUM is not for posting screenplay pages.

figment's point was for me to post my pages publicly, and then be all humiliated as I get pummeled with criticism.

I'm not a newbie. I can handle criticism, if it's not personal, finalact4.
Umm, it's not that complicated, Joe, you post your pages in the script pages forum with a link from this thread inviting people to check out your pages.

You do not need permission to post them here, post them in the proper place. They shouldn't be posted here. I don't see the problem.

Figment did not imply any such thing.

No one said you're a newbie. No one said you can't handle criticism. And no one said anything about humiliating you. The only call was to use your own writing pages as an example of what you believe is solid writing.

It seems that you infer a lot of subtext in what people express in the written word-- I'm speaking from my personal experience here, as I've had to reassert my meaning when you've misunderstood my intentions. I'd ask you to at least consider that your assumptions may not always be correct, and that many of us offer comments sincerely.

And the way you don't make it personal, is that you talk about the pages and the script alone, without using the word "you" in your comments.
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