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Old 09-28-2010, 04:09 PM   #31
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Sexual orientation should be treated the same as every other aspect of your story - it has to be in there for a specific reason. You shouldn't make someone gay just for the hell of it. Do it for a plot-related reason if you want it to work.
Eh. I don't know for sure that this is the case.

I mean, would we ever say, "Don't make someone black just for the heck of it?" or "Don't make a character female just for the heck of it?"

Sexual orientation is a little trickier, because gays as a more oppressed minority, these days, than most others, and bigotry against gays is still accepted in many quarters which would never accept open bigotry against ethnic minorities. But maybe that argues FOR making more supporting characters gay just for the heck of it.

Sometimes these things can help unlock the character for you. It helps you find the voice, it informs the character's choices, and helps you bring them to life even if it doesn't directly impact the plot. You may not even know what it's going to unlock when you start writing the script, only to have an "aha" moment halfway through.

But you need to tread carefully with lead characters, because it's still a contentious topic worldwide.
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Old 09-28-2010, 04:30 PM   #32
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I mean, would we ever say, "Don't make someone black just for the heck of it?" or "Don't make a character female just for the heck of it?"
Yes. I don't do casting, so I have no idea the race of any of my characters. Casting decides that... unless it is story related. Then it is my job. My scripts are colorblind, unless the color is critical to the story. I focus on the character, not the skin or eye color... unless those things are story related.

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Old 09-28-2010, 04:40 PM   #33
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Yes. I don't do casting, so I have no idea the race of any of my characters. Casting decides that... unless it is story related. Then it is my job. My scripts are colorblind, unless the color is critical to the story. I focus on the character, not the skin or eye color... unless those things are story related.

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Exactly.

Don't make your story have a gay Indian woman as your hero unless your story is specifically about a gay Indian woman...or they might just cast Denzel Washington and tell you to go f**k yourself.

I don't mean to sound negative, but that's simply the way the business works, and nobody is going to bend for you. You have to bend for them.
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Old 09-28-2010, 04:44 PM   #34
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Yes. I don't do casting, so I have no idea the race of any of my characters. Casting decides that... unless it is story related. Then it is my job. My scripts are colorblind, unless the color is critical to the story. I focus on the character, not the skin or eye color... unless those things are story related.

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but so often the casting people just assume everyone is white or male if not specified. they can't even give minorities minor roles when it makes sense to do so. ie - you usually only see white kids working in fast food joints and white adults working at the 7-11 type stores in middle america where most stores don't take place. seventy-five percent of the extras in any movie or tv show set in washington dc should be black. casting people don't do any research. they do what's written on the paper.

oh yeah, i forgot to say TANGENT ALERT! the topic is sex, not race.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:00 PM   #35
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Except it is not written on paper that they are white or straight or even male (sometimes).

I have had Asians and African Americans and Hispanics and just about everyone else cast in roles written for *people*. Yes, even the leads.

I have also had women cast in roles written as men - which is always cool.

I have also had screwed up casting - I *hated* the casting on STEEL SHARKS because the SEAL Team was a bunch of white guys. The script had last names like "Salazar" - and they cast some white dude... then changed the character name. These things are casting and director choices - and you get screwed no matter what you do.

But I'd rather leave it open so that Denzel and Will and Antonio get on the list along with all of the white guy stars. Then, they do whatever they want - which is what they were going to do anyway.

The person behind the counter at McD's - unless it's story related, I'm not sure I'm givining them a sex.

And nothing stops "COMBOVER COP" from being a woman or Gay or any race you can imagine.

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Old 09-28-2010, 05:26 PM   #36
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If you name a character Salazar, aren't you in effect assigning a Latino ethnicity to the character?

Just askin'.
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:47 PM   #37
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And nothing stops "COMBOVER COP" from being a woman or Gay or any race you can imagine.

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honestly what woman or gay man would want to play "combover cop"??!!! you know the casting agency will make this a white male.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:48 AM   #38
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If you name a character Salazar, aren't you in effect assigning a Latino ethnicity to the character?

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Other things being equal, yes, you are.

However, Spanish and Puertoguese (sp) are spoken in many and varied places in the world, Latin America, the Iberian Peninsula, parts of North Africa, Mexico and Central America. It may be that "Salazar" is from Portugal or even the Philippines, where Spain ruled long enough to get some Spanish names into the culture. He could be Cuban or Bolivian, he could be a Basque.

It starts with a name but it sure doesn't end there.
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:58 AM   #39
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Except it is not written on paper that they are white or straight or even male (sometimes).

I have had Asians and African Americans and Hispanics and just about everyone else cast in roles written for *people*. Yes, even the leads.

I have also had women cast in roles written as men - which is always cool.

I have also had screwed up casting - I *hated* the casting on STEEL SHARKS because the SEAL Team was a bunch of white guys. The script had last names like "Salazar" - and they cast some white dude... then changed the character name. These things are casting and director choices - and you get screwed no matter what you do.

But I'd rather leave it open so that Denzel and Will and Antonio get on the list along with all of the white guy stars. Then, they do whatever they want - which is what they were going to do anyway.

The person behind the counter at McD's - unless it's story related, I'm not sure I'm givining them a sex.

And nothing stops "COMBOVER COP" from being a woman or Gay or any race you can imagine.

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Haha - So if I want a bi woman in my story I have to bind her so tightly into the plot that nobody is going to be able to change her to a straight one without doing a total rewrite? Gotcha!
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Old 09-29-2010, 09:02 AM   #40
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Other things being equal, yes, you are.

However, Spanish and Puertoguese (sp) are spoken in many and varied places in the world, Latin America, the Iberian Peninsula, parts of North Africa, Mexico and Central America. It may be that "Salazar" is from Portugal or even the Philippines, where Spain ruled long enough to get some Spanish names into the culture. He could be Cuban or Bolivian, he could be a Basque.

It starts with a name but it sure doesn't end there.
Yeah, I lived in the Philippines for 4 years as a kid. I should have phrased it:

If you name a character Salazar, aren't you in effect assigning an ethnicity to the character?
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