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Old 06-02-2020, 04:19 PM   #11
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Default Re: Final Draft v8 Issue Question

I will just add this to what Will said, but of course I do not know what else he might have wanted to say. These are just my own thoughts.

Just for the record ... and in no particular order and in no strict hierarchy of arrangement:
  • I have (or have had) every version of Final Draft from 4.x through version 10. I decided that I would never again buy Final Draft. It is expensive, and you have no idea how many email pleas I used to receive (and still occasionally do) from people around the world whose screenplay has been corrupted and they are now receiving a message like "Not compatible with this version of Final Draft." In such cases, nothing can be done. You just have to hope that you have a good backup copy (these are made automatically, but a few people have somehow lost these, too, although the usual problem is that the person just does not know about the existence of the backups). Final Draft is enjoyable to use. It has a gorgeous interface (the later versions). It produces great reports (which most people at your level of experience probably do not use anyway). But, again, it is too expensive.
  • I used to help various people with their screenplays (usually for free except for foreigners who could not handle English well and whose scripts really needed extensive rewriting). I assure you that you can receive a Final Draft .fdr or .fdx file and open it in Fade In, work on it in Fade In, and then export to Final Draft .fdx. (It does not export to .fdr format because that is an old Final Draft format.) Or you can write a new script in Fade In and then export to Final Draft .fdx. I have done this many times.
  • If you sell a script, you should get a portion of the sale price up front. Then, if you really think that you must have Final Draft, buy it with some of that money, and buy a new Windows computer, too. They are really very cheap these days.
  • Version 8 goes back to some time before January 2014, when version 9 was released. Without doing a deep search, I could not even find the release date of version 8. That is a long time ago in computer software years. Your version 8 is not going to be compatible with the computers and software that other people are using (if I understand all of this correctly), so you are not accomplishing anything by trying to fix version 8. You can at least look at the trial copy of Fade In to see what you think.
  • You might or might not be aware that some highly successful screenwriters use Fade In. Really, it's true.
  • Fade In works fine with Windows 7. I am using an old laptop right now that is Windows 7, and it has the most current release of Fade In on it, which I downloaded just the other day. Remember that with Fade In you pay once, and then you get free upgrades, for use on any of your own personal computers.
Anyway, good luck, and let us know if we can help you.

I do not have Final Draft on this computer, but here is a final thought. Check your page size setup to make sure that something did not get unintentionally changed from US Letter size to something smaller.
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Old 06-02-2020, 10:15 PM   #12
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Hi TigerFang. Really appreciate your feedback.

It's really odd, and never has done this prior....the screen view is still the same size lengthwise (letter, 11"), but the width is only 3.5"....0 to 3.5" shows in the ruler at the top of the page. So it is a long, thin strip of writing. I've tried every every option to change it but it appears locked, like a margin lock. I don't think it I can reload it and have it be operable at this point as it requires registration with the key and Final Draft does not support it any longer. And I have not installed any other program recently either.

Thanks for advising about Fade In, but as I also mentioned to Bono in his post back, I need to stay with the industry standard as will be working with film industry folks who typically solely use Final Draft and I need to have that compatibility. So....it's looking like I'll have to upgrade to both Win10, and v11.


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Mike,

Before you pull the trigger on that much capital outlay for a new Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OS (which will cost $199) and Final Draft 11 (which will cost from $199 to $249), try a few of the things that make “global changes” to your document. You’ll feel ridiculous if you spend all that cash and you could have adjusted the tabs in the ruler. Also, be certain you’re not getting “pranked” by the people you’re working with to make you buy a lot of unnecessary hardware and software. Okay, but just be certain. Some knuckleheads in L.A. tried to pull something similar on me long ago and they had the tables turned on them.

First, I’m fairly certain you could deauthorize your Final Draft, re-install it, and use the key to activate the product again. Just because Final Draft no longer supports your version 8 (my version 9) doesn’t mean your key stopped working.

Second, here is the User Manual for your version of Final Draft: Final Draft version 8 User Guide Book. Go to Chapter 5, page 117, for “Page View” information.

I attempted to recreate your issue but I couldn’t remember what it was that caused this for me way back when (long ago). Try these:

1.) Adjust the tabs in your ruler to 1.5” and 7.5”.

2.) If that doesn’t help, go to “Format,” “Elements” and choose “Paragraph.” Click on each element to see if they are at their default settings or if they were changed when your cat walked on the keyboard when you were away.

3.) You may have wanted to click on “Clear Revised” and instead accidentally clicked on “Lock Pages.” Go to “Production,” then choose “Locking Tools,” then “Unlock All Pages.” From there you might see a warning that doing so will reset all “A” and “B” pages. Choose “Yes.”

Otherwise, I don’t know what to tell you to do to “fix” it, but I’m sure it can be undone. As stated earlier, this happened to me with an earlier version of Final Draft (maybe version 8, like yours), but I cannot recall how I figured it out.

By the way, as ComicBent advised, Fade In exports and imports to the latest version of Final Draft file format. You’ll never be out of sync with your Hollywood friends with Fade In. You sound as though you “bought into” the myth that Final Draft is the be-all and end-all of screenwriting programs. Whoever tells you that is either not current on screenwriting programs or they own stock in Final Draft.

Anything’s possible, but if you’re writing a spec script, you’re most likely not going to be doing Scene Reports, Script Reports, Location Reports, Character Reports, Cast Reports, Statistics Reports, or ScriptNote Reports. That’s the reason Final Draft is the “industry standard,” as you claim (which is rapidly changing, by the way), because once a script gets a greenlight, yes, everyone needs to be able to trade reports and script versions. Final Draft simplifies that for the production folks. But if you are a spec screenplay writer, then you don’t need to waste your money on a screenwriting program with too many bells and whistles you may never use.

First things first: write your spec script and sell it, two challenges that are difficult to meet well and with a victory. I strongly suggest that you buy Fade In now, before you spend a wad of dough on what you’re planning. Save a bunch of money and take someone out to dinner.

Seriously, Fade In is truly worth the bucks you’ll spend for it, you’ll never have this issue with it as you are having with Final Draft (bugs), and the upgrades for Fade In are always free. You can’t beat that with a stick. Fade In works on my MacBook Pro OS X v. 10.11.6 and equally as well on my Windows 8 Pro on an HP xw8400 Workstation. I’ve been through a lot of upgrades on both platforms and they always work.

Download for free the trial version (fully functioning except for a watermark on your script pages). Do a test: import a Final Draft file into Fade In, work on it, then export it as a Final Draft file and send it to your friends. They won’t have any issues with it. Besides several hundred dollars, what do you have to lose?
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:13 PM   #13
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Download for free the trial version (fully functioning except for a watermark on your script pages). Do a test: import a Final Draft file into Fade In, work on it, then export it as a Final Draft file and send it to your friends. They won’t have any issues with it. Besides several hundred dollars, what do you have to lose?
Yeah, this is the bottom line to the whole discussion. Just try it for yourself.

I would just point out one thing that I did not make really clear before. If you are thinking about working with someone who has Final Draft, your version 8 may not even open a Final Draft 11 file. I do not know, but if 11 requires Windows 10, I would expect an incompatibility of a FD11 file with your FD8. In any case, versions later than yours have features that 8 does not have.

But with Fade In you can import any Final Draft .fdx file and export it back to the .fdx format.

Anyhow, think about giving it a free try. If you really like it, and you write a script with it, but you cannot afford to buy the program, I can take your script and remove the watermarks and create a PDF for you to submit somewhere. I cannot do this as an open offer to everybody, and I cannot do it for you indefinitely, but I am willing to help you get started with Fade In.

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rolandraystroud (and the domain is gmail).
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:52 PM   #14
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Fade In or Final Draft both will get the job done. You can export and import into either and they will work fine. So many options these days, no way you can't find a file that you can give to someone else to make it "compatible" if there is any issue. But 99% of the time you're just sending people a PDF so it does not matter what the original writing program used was anyway... people write on Word.

Fade In and Final Draft Upgrade to 11 are same price as far as I know. $79 bucks right?
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Old 06-04-2020, 03:10 PM   #15
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The upgrade price of Final Draft 11 is $80 (rounding up), as is the cost of Fade In. (Subsequent upgrades of Fade In have been free.) The Final Draft website is not clear whether someone with version 8 would be eligible. But, in any case, the FD website states clearly that Version 11 requires at least MacOS 10.12 or Windows 10. The original poster is still running Windows 7. He would probably need new hardware to upgrade to Windows 10.
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Old 06-04-2020, 03:45 PM   #16
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Fade In or Final Draft both will get the job done. You can export and import into either and they will work fine. So many options these days, no way you can't find a file that you can give to someone else to make it "compatible" if there is any issue. But 99% of the time you're just sending people a PDF so it does not matter what the original writing program used was anyway... people write on Word.

Fade In and Final Draft Upgrade to 11 are same price as far as I know. $79 bucks right?
Since Mike hasn’t come back to respond, he probably did what he said he would do. He sounded like he made his mind up on the decision to buy everything.

His words: “Thanks for advising about Fade In, but I need to stay with the industry standard as will be working with film industry folks who typically solely use Final Draft and I need to have that compatibility. So....it's looking like I'll have to upgrade to both Win10, and v11.”

Either Mike has money to burn or he thinks he can buy his way toward quality writing. With a missing pronoun and a four-dot ellipsis, I’m betting he has farther to go with his writing than he currently believes.

As for buying “all the latest” to set up shop, it ain’t the tools, it’s the craftsman.
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Old 06-05-2020, 04:32 PM   #17
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As for buying “all the latest” to set up shop, it ain’t the tools, it’s the craftsman.
My German teacher, who was a marvelous lady from the old European tradition, used to say, "It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."

I don't want to pound on Mike. He really does need to migrate to new hardware and Windows 10. He is (presumably) going to do the right thing about a new computer and Windows 10. (Yes, I am writing this on my old Windows 7 laptop, but I also have two computers with Windows 10.)

And he is only following all the pure BS that he has heard about how Final Draft is the "industry standard" and that it is virtually necessary to use it. Of course, Final Draft could be advantageous under some imaginable circumstances, but not for someone who simply needs to submit a script in .fdx format to another person who is going to collaborate or who is going to make notes for some suggested changes.

But, anyway ... enough. I am out of this now.
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