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Old 10-11-2006, 08:57 PM   #41
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you just never could suck it in and admit it before.


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Old 10-11-2006, 09:03 PM   #42
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Okie Dokey! It's fixed.

Now I really want to get back to discussing the in's and out's of this movie. I think the argueing is useless.

The topic of this thread is what needs to be focused on here!

I thought of certain points of this film, but didn't even give the humor in the film much thought. It's amazing how different perspectives can be such a benefit. I think I need to read over it again. There's probably a lot that I missed.

Hopefully more of you can share your thoughts on the makeup of this film (character, structure, plot, etc...).

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Old 10-11-2006, 10:21 PM   #43
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I had trouble buying the idea that Will's love affair with Gwyneth (I know, I know, I'm mixing character names and actor names, but I forget her character's name) would fuel his writing. I suppose it might work that way for some people, but it certainly never has for me, so for me it was a stretch. I figured he would write more when he was unhappy with his life and less when his life was going well (since that's what I do).

Anybody want to weigh in on that aspect of it?
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Old 10-11-2006, 11:28 PM   #44
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I had trouble buying the idea that Will's love affair with Gwyneth (I know, I know, I'm mixing character names and actor names, but I forget her character's name) would fuel his writing. I suppose it might work that way for some people, but it certainly never has for me, so for me it was a stretch. I figured he would write more when he was unhappy with his life and less when his life was going well (since that's what I do).

Anybody want to weigh in on that aspect of it?
Well made some notes and the name is Thomas Kent/Viola. I think overall the character Will was a real tragedy king (after all "Romeo and Juliet"). I think Will was writing more from a perspective of the emotions these women fueled up in him. 1st Rosalyn (who was already with Burbage) and then Viola who is going to marry Wessex (this arranged by the family and not by Viola's love for Wessex).

I think that's pretty intense emotion Will had to face and maybe the only way he could release it fully was through his play. Then there was the nuttiness of the general drama of those around him.

I've thought more about the humor aspect of the film and it's pretty funny really. The competition between the two theaters left 2 adults acting like 5- year-olds. That led to the set being destroyed and feathers flying all over the stage. For some reason that Fennyman (the loan collector) was so over the top and crazy, along with being naive that I had to laugh.

For me any kind of passion, deep emotion, or irony can fuel me to write. It just has to be intense. Of course events can be intense also, but there has to be depth of characters who are involved in the events.

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Old 10-12-2006, 02:28 AM   #45
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I think the plot thin at best, and was underwhelmed by it as a comedy but what I really got out of SIL as a writer was the dialogue. It is superb. If you look through the script (which I bought for this very reason) there are no long monologues, or even blocks of dialogue. It is snappy, atmospheric and pertinent to the era. That is Stoppard's gift.

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Old 10-12-2006, 08:41 AM   #46
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I found the whole movie very funny and enjoyable, but the humor of it I loved best was how it humanized Shakespeare and showed him going through the same slog as a scriptwriter that we go through today. The writers slyly pointed up the parallels, perhaps somewhat as an in-joke from writers who have been through it to their bretherin in the audience.
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Old 10-12-2006, 09:15 AM   #47
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Well I think the script and movie are both brilliant.

Just from a gut reaction to the movie I thought the story was highly entertaining, funny, and the romance was excellent. The characters were well drawn, the dialogue was pithy and funny, and you can't help but marvel at some of the parallels to Shakespeare's work.

I don't really even like Romcoms that much, but this is on another level.

It's just a well constructed story. The dilemmas are in perfect synchronization.

Will's goal in the film is to write the play and save the theatre, but he has no muse and is completely blocked. He doesn't even have a story to write.

He finds his muse in a love for Viola, but there's a huge problem: she's engaged to a very powerful man who can easily have the theatre shut down, or worse, have Will killed.

It's a great core conflict. He can't save the theatre if he doesn't write the script. He can't write the script without exploring his love for Viola. But by being with Viola he puts the theatre--and his own life--in even more immediate jeopardy. There's no easy way out. He has to take the hard road.

What's so utterly brilliant, though, is that his experiences with the Viola affair are literally laying the groundwork for "Romeo & Juliet". Someone mentioned that they didn't buy Viola as a muse?

Will's affair with Viola IS "Romeo & Juliet". What happens to them IS the story he's writing. Without her, the story cannot go on. She's the epitome of a muse.

I don't see how you can't marvel at how well this story is woven with the fabric of "Romeo and Juliet" (and other Shakespeare plays). It's done so seamlessly that it literally is part of the movie. But's it's not overdone. It's part of the story, but it's not *THE* story.

The movie has that same issue of forbidden love, but it puts a big ol twist on it by using Will Shakespeare himself and giving him a goal of writing the play that will save his beloved theatre. The goal of writing the greatest romance of all time. What could be more appealing to a writer than that?

The craftsmanship that went into this is just purely amazing. I can't believe there is a writer out there who can't appreciate what was done with this movie.
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Old 10-12-2006, 09:25 AM   #48
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Well said, prescribe. I liked the film lots. First time I ever understood Shakespeare.

Hold on, let me just spellcheck before I post this...

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Old 10-12-2006, 12:07 PM   #49
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:22 PM   #50
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I guess I must be the only person on the face of the planet (okay, the only North American - all right, the only Canajan, eh - oh, wottheheck) who hasn't seen SIL. It really bothers me when they use Americans in Brit roles because Americans just can't get the accent right (to my ear, anyway), and Gwyneth Paltrow is not exactly one of my favourite actresses, so I gave it a pass when it came to the theatres.

I guess if I ever get a functioning television again (was salivating over a beauty of an LCD at Radio Shack today - I mean, the Source by Circuit City - but alas, the funds simply aren't there) I'll rent it for a look-see.

For Jake's benefit, I have included two misspellings and possibly some punctuation errors.

-T, still smarting from her misspelling of "grammar" due to too fast fingers and too slow on-the-fly proofing and the subsequent drubbing she got from assorted members, though not recollecting at the moment whether Jake was one of the drubbers (joaneasley was one, however)
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