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Old 09-27-2010, 05:33 AM   #1
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Just wondering how acceptable any off-the-beaten-track sexual preferances are in an action movie, here.

I have a pair of undercover cops/feds(?) of mixed gender. Early on I have the girl introduce her newly assigned male partner to a female friend. The two girls kiss in a way suggestive of a little more than just friendship going on between them.

No further plans to inroduce anything other than that in the story, and I'm hoping this simply adds a little depth & colour to my character's personality.

I have a few female Bi friends, and just want to borrow a little from their personalities.

So, just how broadminded is Hollywood these days?
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Old 09-27-2010, 06:27 AM   #2
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Just wondering how acceptable any off-the-beaten-track sexual preferances are in an action movie, here.

I have a pair of undercover cops/feds(?) of mixed gender. Early on I have the girl introduce her newly assigned male partner to a female friend. The two girls kiss in a way suggestive of a little more than just friendship going on between them.

No further plans to inroduce anything other than that in the story, and I'm hoping this simply adds a little depth & colour to my character's personality.

I have a few female Bi friends, and just want to borrow a little from their personalities.

So, just how broadminded is Hollywood these days?
So, are you borrowing from your friends' personalities, or the fact that they kiss chicks?

Either way, you can do it. I'm pretty sure no one in Hollyweird is going to freak out about two chicks locking lips...

...though they might find it gratuitous if you don't exploit it in any manner.
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Old 09-27-2010, 07:08 AM   #3
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yep - just don't exploit it or turn them into sexy caricatures.
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Old 09-27-2010, 07:13 AM   #4
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...though they might find it gratuitous if you don't exploit it in any manner.
The fact that she snogs her friend openly in front of her new male colleague is def gratuitous - but that's just how she is - a 'This is me!' statement.

Also allows me to include this bit of dialogue:
"they know you come to places like this?"
"Hell yeah! I get to have fun, and they get a free deep-cover bitch" (bitch meaning 'a sub', in this case)

I'm sure the story will move to make this side of her more relevant, just not seen it yet. Wanted to check it was viable first.
Anyway - Thanks for the feedback

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Old 09-27-2010, 07:41 AM   #5
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The fact that she snogs her friend openly in front of her new male colleague is def gratuitous - but that's just how she is - a 'This is me!' statement.

Also allows me to include this bit of dialogue:
"they know you come to places like this?"
"Hell yeah! I get to have fun, and they get a free deep-cover bitch" (bitch meaning 'a sub', in this case)

I'm sure the story will move to make this side of her more relevant, just not seen it yet. Wanted to check it was viable first.
Anyway - Thanks for the feedback
actually, it's NOT gratuitous. it just means they're comfortable. no dialogue needed. no explanation needed. that's what makes it natural. your dialogue makes no sense to me but it seems much more exploitive than then a simple kiss on the lips.
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:08 AM   #6
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actually, it's NOT gratuitous. it just means they're comfortable. no dialogue needed. no explanation needed. that's what makes it natural. your dialogue makes no sense to me but it seems much more exploitive than then a simple kiss on the lips.
hmm. I thought she was using irony to dismiss her male colleage's slight of her favourite off-beat/gangsta nightclub. I'll work on it.

AH! Sorry - I see what you mean now.

But It's hard walking the tighrope between "when mummy and daddy love each other very much..." explanation of sex, and rampant indulgant lust. I'm sure there's both manifestations of love no matter who we're talking about. I'm just trying to suggest both possibilities in as believebale and acceptable way as I can.

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Old 09-27-2010, 09:28 AM   #7
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easy - just don't explain it. it's more natural if you don't try.
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:46 AM   #8
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I think having a male lead in an action movie be gay would be a problem. Some actors wouldn't want to play it, some studio execs would worry about turning off a part of the audience in a film that needs to appeal to everyone.

A female character, on the other hand? No big deal. Female homosexuality is much more accepted. It's probably a non-issue.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:33 PM   #9
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Just wondering how acceptable any off-the-beaten-track sexual preferances are in an action movie, here.
Go back as far as 1977 to Joseph Wambaugh's 'The Choirboys' and you'll see that it's not a deterrent.

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I have a pair of undercover cops/feds(?) of mixed gender. Early on I have the girl introduce her newly assigned male partner to a female friend. The two girls kiss in a way suggestive of a little more than just friendship going on between them.
Look at Kamo's lesbian relationship in the third season of The Wire, featuring reasonably explicit intimacy between a female detective and her partner. I know it's HBO and not Hollywood but the moral mindset isn't so different.

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No further plans to inroduce anything other than that in the story, and I'm hoping this simply adds a little depth & colour to my character's personality.
A friend of mine had a similar discussion with a well known director who said, "You're in the wrong business to be coy."

And informing your story with authenticity gained from experience with bi friends' behavior is good, it's what writers do. Good writers tend to be keen observers of human behavior.

The only practical limitations you might encounter could be with casting, where some actors will not want to play certain roles. Some actors have certain moral or religious codes that mean they won't accept a role which they feel conflicts with those codes. But there are always plenty of great actors who will take those roles and some of the most macho actors have played homosexuals. Burt Reynolds - who would have thought.

How the marketing team would react to the lead being gay in an action movie would probably depend on many factors.

In short, don't limit yourself.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:52 PM   #10
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Mel Gibson allegedly doesn't even want any gay people employed on his productions at all - which is sad if it's true.
It's not. I don't even need to reference my own personal knowledge regarding people who've worked with him -- rather I can just point to Jodie Foster and The Beaver.
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