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Old 09-14-2019, 09:20 PM   #21
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For some reason everyone was trashing Sorkin yesterday on social media... I don't even want to know... but I was watching Newsroom clips and something Sorkin loves to is talk about sports. Well his characters love to talk about sports. Because obviously Sorkin does.

So I was just thinking today -- this is the stuff you should bring to your work. We all do it w/o realizing it -- but think of what makes you - you. What you love. You're hobbies. Your favorite band.

Throw that stuff in, when you can. Bring yourself to the script.

There was some Actor's studio moment, that isn't online but here is the transcript -- this makes me think of this same point. Actors do it. Writers should too.

Jack Lemmon
The legend appeared on Lipton’s show in 1998. While discussing the film Days of Wine and Roses, Lipton mentioned a scene where his character admits he’s an alcoholic.

What happens next isn’t on YouTube, but even as just a transcript, it’s still one of the most powerful moments in the show’s history.

Lemmon: “Which I am, incidentally.”
Lipton: “Who?”
Lemmon: “Me.”
Lipton: “Are you talking as Clay [Lemmon’s character] now or as Jack Lemmon?”
Lemmon: “No, as Jack Lemmon. I’m an alcoholic.”

Lipton sat there in stunned silence. Lemmon’s wife Felicia later told the host that he had never told this secret to anyone but her.


He was pretty much praising his performance and all he did was be himself. Same goes with writing. How did you think of that? Well, I lived it. That is me.
The Jack Lemmon thing is so ridiculous. AA was invented by a priest to increase followers and in doing so increase revenue stream to the church.

Edited to enlighten: The church is about money. They've been shaming their way to riches for millenia.
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Old 09-15-2019, 02:19 AM   #22
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A screenwriter I respect once told me something very similar a while back.

What I started to realize is, the reason why it takes me so long to write, or one of the reasons I should say, is that I never create any characters similar to myself.

I suppose after knowing myself for my entire existence, I do not find my personality as interesting as one I can create.

But if I were to use part of it, in a main character at some point, I think it'd be incredibly easy to write that person.
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Old 09-15-2019, 12:51 PM   #23
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Yes! I'm simply pointing out something many writers do.

I do what a lot of first time writers did when I first starting writing -- I took my real life and made it fiction, but I wasn't a good enough writer so I didn't leave out the boring stuff. It was 90 pages of my life -- and boy wasn't it so exciting! Now I'm a little better so when I do steal things, they will appeal than more than just my circle of friends. And it's not 90 pages, but maybe 9 lines of dialogue. You know?

Of course plenty of movies where none of your characters have anything to do with you. But maybe... just maybe... you make an important choice or a funny line of dialogue that is 100% you.

All I'm saying is don't forget to be human when you're writing about fictional humans.
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Old 09-15-2019, 01:44 PM   #24
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A screenwriter I respect once told me something very similar a while back.

What I started to realize is, the reason why it takes me so long to write, or one of the reasons I should say, is that I never create any characters similar to myself.

I suppose after knowing myself for my entire existence, I do not find my personality as interesting as one I can create.

But if I were to use part of it, in a main character at some point, I think it'd be incredibly easy to write that person.
Hey Vango,

This makes sense...

...but it's been the opposite for me. I've been banging around with a pilot about my days in the garment industry - it's been the hardest and taken the longest. Almost twice the time it normally takes.
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Old 09-15-2019, 02:03 PM   #25
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I don't find it's any easier or goes quicker myself. Same amount of hard.

I just known writers who always bring themselves to their work. Ones who never do. So I brought this up.
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Old 09-16-2019, 03:47 AM   #26
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Bono, for sure. 100.

Freddie, not sure, maybe you're so close to the material/character that it is causing you to crank your inner-critic to new heights.

Is anyone part of a writer's group with an extra seat available? I would be interested in applying.
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Old 09-16-2019, 01:07 PM   #27
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If Gucci was here, this thread would already be 10 pages long. I miss you, BRUH!!!! Is that how he spelled it? I'm already starting to forget his avatar face...
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:57 PM   #28
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A handful of actors are chameleons, like Gary Oldman, but most are playing themselves in every role, just with superficial changes.
This is what I was getting at with respect to acting. I would consider Gary Oldman a great actor, able to play many roles. Those who play themselves in every role are not digging deep. They aren't really acting.

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They [writers] can also write characters that are different than themselves, but the thrust of what they write is generally a reflection of their own beliefs, perspective, and personality of themselves or people they know.
I think the easy way out is to always write a reflection of our own beliefs, perspectives, and personalities. I think we should strive to write beyond ourselves. Broaden our horizons. Even if it is difficult.

I have never written a serial killer story. If I did, I would definitely write the serial killer protag beyond myself. How could I do otherwise? I'm not a serial killer.
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Old 09-16-2019, 07:24 PM   #29
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First if you saw Gary Oldman in Tiptoes well you've seen great acting!

Second, that's my whole point. You're not a serial killer. But your character is. But you like Bruce Springsteen. So maybe your serial killer likes to hum Bruce songs as he slices and dices.... That's what I'm saying....

Take parts of yourself and bring them to your work. Or not. Up to you. Just saying, don't forget to look in the mirror.
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Old 09-17-2019, 01:41 AM   #30
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Second, that's my whole point. You're not a serial killer. But your character is. But you like Bruce Springsteen. So maybe your serial killer likes to hum Bruce songs as he slices and dices.... That's what I'm saying....

Take parts of yourself and bring them to your work. Or not. Up to you. Just saying, don't forget to look in the mirror.
Agree. But why not do both. Invent a character or world, part what you know and part what you imagine.

You don't like Rap or classical music but your character listens to them on his smart phone while doing his thing. The part you know, or have learned through research, is how he dices and slices.
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