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Old 07-07-2019, 01:18 PM   #41
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I agree with Will's points on a logline contest:

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I also don't feel a logline or first 5 pages contest is going to move the needle either. Industry folks want completed scripts that have been vetted by someone they trust. A logline does very little for them in reality. Yes, they are important for queries, etc. Sure. But industry folks want a list handed to them of completed scripts by someone they know who can vouch for IP. They want scripts which are ready to go as much as possible.

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Old 07-07-2019, 01:30 PM   #42
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I give this thread an 8 out of 10 for drama.
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Old 07-07-2019, 02:07 PM   #43
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I agree with Will's points on a logline contest:
Nobody has any vision or imagination anymore.

sc111, by your logic we shouldn't even bother sending out query letters, because, you know, the industry is only interested in "vetted screenplays."

The industry folks that DDP was talking about was top agents and producers.

Sure, it's ALL difficult, but why are people not willing to even give something a shot? What's the worst that could happen? You'll waste your time?

If anyone thinks this way, then I suggest that they write screenplays just for the joy of it and forget about making a career of it, because this type of attitude won't get a writer far.

There are many different roads to find Hollywood. These roads are loaded with twists, pot holes and obstacles that will make the ride difficult and not a sure thing, but with a strong vehicle, little ingenuity, persistence and luck a few will make their destination.

UpandComing, I'm glad I'm able to entertain you. Now, do you have a logline that you would like to enter for an in-house exercise/competition?

P.S. Since DDP shot down my bigger ambition to build the reputation of this site and to use their name to get attention in the industry, the logline exercise will be just for fun and for a writer to gage the weakness or strength of his logline. Edited to add: Also, feedback on his screenplay of choice.

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Old 07-07-2019, 02:14 PM   #44
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UpandComing, I'm glad I'm able to entertain you. Now, do you have a logline that you would like to enter for an in-house exercise/competition?
I'm fine, thanks. But best of luck!
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Old 07-07-2019, 02:24 PM   #45
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Nobody has any vision or imagination anymore.

scc111, by your logic we shouldn't even bother sending out query letters, because, you know, the industry is only interested in "vetted screenplays."

The industry folks that DDP was talking about was top agents and producers.

Sure, it's ALL difficult, but why are people not willing to even give something a shot? What's the worst that could happen? You'll waste your time?

If anyone thinks this way, then I suggest that they write screenplays just for the joy of it and forget about making a career of it, because this type of attitude what get a writer far.

There are many different roads to find Hollywood. These roads are loaded with twists, pot holes and obstacles that will make the ride difficult and not a sure thing, but with a strong vehicle, little ingenuity, persistence and luck a few will make their destination.

UpandComing, I'm glad I'm able to entertain you. Now, do you have a logline that you would like to enter for an in-house exercise/competition?
I think Will was amazingly tolerant of your "suggestions" for his website while setting strong boundaries.

As for your question: What's the worst that can happen?

Two words: Bad Feedback.

Bad feedback can destroy a writer's confidence when they're positioned at the start of their learning curve and unable to identify bad feedback when they see it.

We already have a logline section where people provide suggestions, why turn it into a contest? What's the value in that other than putting you in charge of a new forum?
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Old 07-07-2019, 03:15 PM   #46
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Two words: Bad Feedback.

Bad feedback can destroy a writer's confidence when they're positioned at the start of their learning curve and unable to identify bad feedback when they see it.

We already have a logline section where people provide suggestions, why turn it into a contest? What's the value in that other than putting you in charge of a new forum?
Bad feedback could influence a newbie to change a strong logline, or script into a weak one, where it ends up not the premise he originally had the passion for, but realistically, a newbie has to grow and learn.

He has to get out there either on a site like this, or a writing group. To give and receive feedback in order to toughen his skin and to train his analysis' muscles: his eye to detect problems, his articulation skills to communicate these problems and suggested solutions, to gain knowledge on the craft from giving and receiving feedback, etc.

In this particular logline event, which looks like nobody's interested in, there's not to be suggestions on improving the logline. There would just be a score where the "value," which I mentioned more than once, is that a writer can gage how strong his logline is perceived.

Another value is that the winner gets feedback on a screenplay of his choice.

Also, if you're worried about a bad score affecting a newbie's confidence, I already had taken this into consideration, where in an earlier post, I mentioned that only the board name of the winning logline would be posted.

A non-winning writer has the choice to mention which logline and score is his.

As for me being in charge, I knew this would turn off a lot of members, so in an earlier post, I did ask for a volunteer to handle the logline entries and compute the scores, but no one's interested.

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Old 07-07-2019, 03:19 PM   #47
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Another value is that the winner gets feedback on a screenplay of his choice.
And who will provide said screenplay feedback?
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Old 07-07-2019, 03:37 PM   #48
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If you want to support DD, pay the $30 a year to become a member. I recently rejoined after doing it for what I think was 10 years or more... it's a very helpful tool and helps keep the forums open which is the most important tool for a lot of us here.

Also tell you buddies on twitter to come on over. In real life.

If you want to have a logline contest query reps with your great logline and hope you get a read. I've said it many times but to me that is the main contest most of us should be entering.

I love rating loglines though, that's why I wish the logline section was more active too. But people on here aren't going to be 100% honest all the time in a public forum and what happens when the person in charge of the contest who also entered their logline gets their logline torn to shreds? They may lose confidence themselves and just stop running the thing. It's hard to be running and participating in the contest. Any contest.

I've pissed off many other writers in my day and I was honestly just trying to help them. I said "do you want honest feedback" or do you "want me to tell you it's great." They al said honest. 99% of them were lying and they wanted me to tell them it was great.

Anyway, good idea in theory, but I don't think it's going to work with such few active members who are really into this idea.
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Old 07-07-2019, 04:05 PM   #49
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And who will provide said screenplay feedback?
I'm afraid to tell you.
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Old 07-07-2019, 04:15 PM   #50
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If you want to have a logline contest query reps with your great logline and hope you get a read. I've said it many times but to me that is the main contest most of us should be entering.
I agree. This would be the ultimate contest. To have your material connect with an industry person.

I'm just saying, it could be smart to gage how weak or strong your logline is perceived with this exercise.

If a writer's logline receives a weak score, then a member could take it to the Logline forum, or friends, to see exactly what details and elements are causing it to be weak and improve it, or he may realize this isn't the concept that he should spend a year writing.
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