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  • #16
    Re: 20/20 on Harvy Weinstein

    Originally posted by jonpiper View Post
    Originally Posted by Cyfress
    What would you do Connor? You just inked a three script deal with Miramax and you attend a company party where you see Weinstein put his hand up a woman's skirt in the hallway. She says no and runs off crying. You calling the police? I can't say that I would.


    Who's ready to step up to the plate? I wonder if anyone in Hollywood has the guts to make a movie about this.

    We've seen plenty of movies about abusive Priests and whistle blowers in government and industry. But where is the artistic outrage when the finger points home?
    Answer: the Hollywood blacklist of the 50s.
    "A screenwriter is much like being a fire hydrant with a bunch of dogs lined up around it.- -Frank Miller

    "A real writer doesn't just want to write; a real writer has to write." -Alan Moore

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    • #17
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      If you are an actor/director/producer in Hollywood right now and you know in your past you for sure sexually harassed an up and coming actress, you are probably quaking in your boots.

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      • #18
        Re: 20/20 on Harvy Weinstein

        Originally posted by Cyfress View Post
        If you are an actor/director/producer in Hollywood right now and you know in your past you for sure sexually harassed an up and coming actress, you are probably quaking in your boots.
        > actress

        That's a bit selective:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-recalls.html

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        • #19
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          Left and right people are being called out now. Dustin Hoffman. Brett Ratner. Kevin Spacey. James Toback. Jeremy Piven. It's going to just keep coming. For the first time in the whole thing, Weinstein's fat face is probably smirking.

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          • #20
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            I am not a "Hollywood insider" nor do I live anywhere even close to California much less LA. I have always heard the term casting couch so I'm not surprised by what is happening. Let's face it in 2017, what really causes us surprise anymore? Truthfully I'm irritated by the people who enabled this behavior from Weinstein. In order to do it on such an epic level as he did he had tons of enablers... Agents who sent their actresses for meetings knowing what-was-what, fellow actors who knew what-was-what, producers and assistants or general office people (men & WOMEN) who knew what-was-what, lawyers who got him out of trouble time and time again who knew what-was-what.


            The fascinating thing about these Hollywood A and B listers who looked the other way and rolled their eyes at ole Harvey's perverted "antics" then leaped at a chance to work with him again... These are the same people who were disgusted by middle America's politics last election. I don't think most regular people know serial rapists and condone it.

            Here's a funny thing about human nature and power positions. I have never ever had a job whose stakes were as high as making a Oscar film and 40 plus million dollar budgets. I've had regular jobs and write as a hobby. And in these jobs I've seen some good supervisors and some awful ones. Employees will position themselves in the oddest ways for the favor of the supervisor even when it comes down to scheduling (they need Saturdays off). For any of you who've worked entry level jobs you know what I mean. I knew a supervisor who dumped a female employee when his wife found out and that female employee sued - the guy was removed and she was made supervisor. Then... Ha ha... Here's the funny part. Are you with me? She then proceeded to sleep with a few male employees which led to a physical fight in the parking lot between two of those employees - police were called. Both men were fired and she was not. Abuse of power is not entirely a male trait.

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            • #21
              Re: 20/20 on Harvy Weinstein

              Originally posted by Cyfress View Post
              Left and right people are being called out now. Dustin Hoffman. Brett Ratner. Kevin Spacey. James Toback. Jeremy Piven. It's going to just keep coming. For the first time in the whole thing, Weinstein's fat face is probably smirking.
              I don't see how, unless he has pathological levels of Schadenfreude, where even a ruined life and career can be mollified by seeing others go down. (Then again . . .)

              At any rate, I hear that Corey F. may finally be identifying his molesters tomorrow. If so, good.

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              • #22
                Re: 20/20 on Harvy Weinstein

                Originally posted by karsten View Post
                > actress

                That's a bit selective:
                This is another one about Spacey. Not the first 14 year-old, this is a different 14 year-old. I normally wouldn't give much credence to someone who is choosing to remain anonymous like this, but he seems pretty credible. Spacey is toast. If he isn't there is no hope for humanity.

                http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/kevin...ationship.html

                Ironically, I only went to Vulture because I didn't want to risk having to see anymore abuse today on Deadline since it's all too depressing. Blah.

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                • #23
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                  I have a quick Kevin Spacey story myself. Back when his movie Beyond The Sea was coming out. Spacey did a little promotional tour where he performed a few numbers from the movie and other oldy hits. He came to the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, this is back in 2004. I was living in the casino then 6 days a week and I knew pretty much everybody. Even met the Donald once when he owned the place. So, of course Spacey is a guest in the hotel for two nights. When a big-wig comes in like that they are given a suite and assigned their personal host. Just so happens that the host that was chosen was a mid 20s man fit and attractive. Just so happens that this host was also a very close friend of mine.

                  He told me that Spacey hit on him, this is in 2004, 13 years ago. Spacey's sexuality was just an industry insider thing, I don't think he was out. My friend said that Spacey asked him up to his room one night after the show. My friend went, thinking he doesn't want to say no to him, but in no way thought spacey was gonna try what he did. He asked my friend to sit on the bed next to him, he put his hand on my friends knee and started to rub his thigh and tried to get to the inner thigh when my friend blocked him and stood up. Spacey then whips out a joint and asks my friend to smoke weed with him in his suite. My friend politely excused himself and explained that he would get fired and lose his job.

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                  • #24
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                    Everyday new Accusations. Jeffrey Tambor, Russel Simmons, more come out against Ratner. The bubble has burst and now this may go on for years.

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                    • #25
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                      You can add Charlie Rose the journalist/news anchor to the list.

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                      • #26
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                        Bye bye Matt Lauer. Here's a guy who spoke in disdain about people like Tiger Woods and Harvey Weinstein on the news and he was behaving just as badly.

                        I think he should give back the 200 million or so he made the last 20 years and be forced to work for minimum wage at Taco Bell.

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                        • #27
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                          Watching liberals devour their own might possibly be my favorite sideshow of all time.

                          90% of American culture basically boils down to:

                          Step 1: Put someone on a pedestal.

                          Step 2: Knock them down.

                          We'd obviously be much better off not putting people on pedestals to begin with, which is where I believe we are headed. This is the beginning of the end of the cult of celebrity in America. And I think it's great.

                          Instead of arguing about which statues we should be tearing down, lets stop putting them up in the first place. No more statues, no more trophies, no more medals, no more awards, no more endorsements, no more keys to the city, no more Kennedy Center honors, no more honorary Phd's.

                          The reason a person like Matt Lauer feels entitled to act wildly inappropriate with subordinates is because his salary is 1,000x more than the person he's abusing. Why wouldn't he think he's above it all? You're telling him he is with every paycheck. (And why would he even care anyway? After his first year on tv, he never needed to work again... He can now go retire on a gigantic pile of money and watch the rest of the media world implode. The real crime here is that Comcast / NBC makes so many billions and billions of dollars in profit that they could afford to pay Lauer 25M a year to read fluff newscopy).

                          Everyone knew. Everyone was complicit. Everyone is guilty. People keep their mouths shut when it's good for their career, and they speak up when it's good for their career (or, more accurately, when there's no career left to worry about).

                          That includes Rose McGowan, whose Twitter attacks on people's complacency here are beyond hypocritical.

                          Rose McGowan made a movie (Rosewood Lane) with Victor Salva, a convicted (not accused- convicted) child rapist, and when she was asked about it directly in a 2011 interview, she said: "I still don't understand the whole story or history there, and I'd rather not, because it's none of my business."

                          But now that she's reinvented herself as an activist with a memoir to plug, she's calling out people for doing the exact same thing. Spare me.

                          It also includes Asia Argento, who signed the letter of support to have Roman Polanski released from jail in Switzerland. Now she says she made 'a mistake', because it conflicts with her new identity as an activist.

                          And Ronan Farrow? I have a great topic for his next big New Yorker expose: A longform article about the sexual history of Frank Sinatra, and the thousands of cocktail waitresses and actresses and showgirls and aspiring what-evers and fans that he had sex with during his career, and why there was never a single formal accusation made against him regarding an assault or misconduct.

                          Could it possibly be that it's because what Donald Trump said was true? That "when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything." ?


                          Here's what I would like to see happen immediately in Hollywood:

                          No more hotel room meetings. No more dinner meetings. No more one-on-one anything. Business meetings should take place during business hours in office environments. If you must have a lunch meeting there should be at least 3-4 people there and no alcohol.

                          And going forward I'm going to write a morals clause into every contract I sign, where if anyone connected to the project is accused of misconduct, I get my rights back and keep the money. Anyone who doesn't like that can go f*ck themselves. The world has changed, and the creative artists are going to have more power than the star-f*ckers.
                          Last edited by kintnerboy; 11-30-2017, 06:39 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: 20/20 on Harvy Weinstein

                            Originally posted by kintnerboy View Post

                            That includes Rose McGowan, who might be the most despicable one of all here, because of the way she viciously attacks people for being complicit and not speaking up sooner about what they supposedly *knew*.


                            And going forward I'm going to write a morals clause into every contract I sign, where if anyone connected to the project is accused of misconduct, I get my rights back and keep the money. Anyone who doesn't like that can go f*ck themselves. The world has changed, and the creative artists are going to have more power than the star-f*ckers.
                            While I understand your passion and outrage, please don't call Rose McGowan, who was 23 when Harvey Weinstein raped her, despicable.

                            THIS is why women don't come forward. This is why they stay silent. Because then somehow, suspiciously, they are held to a higher standard than the person who actually sexually assaulted them. Harvey Weinstein is the rapist. Rose McGowan is not.

                            I'm unsure of the viability of adding a morals clause into every contract -- writers can't even get a guaranteed second step or polish on their own specs -- it might be jumping the gun a bit to think you're suddenly going to run H-wood simply because you have a moral center.

                            I'm with you on the Matt Lauer being paid 25 million a year. Wow that is a lot of money for nothing. No wonder he thinks he's above the law.

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                            • #29
                              Re: 20/20 on Harvy Weinstein

                              Originally posted by figment View Post
                              While I understand your passion and outrage, please don't call Rose McGowan, who was 23 when Harvey Weinstein raped her, despicable.
                              Alright, I qualified my post to make it clear that I am talking about her attacks on people who are seen as enabling, when she herself is guilty of worse, because she is on record not only denying knowledge, but stating that she doesn't want to be told, even when someone was trying to warn her.

                              Originally posted by figment View Post
                              I'm unsure of the viability of adding a morals clause into every contract -- writers can't even get a guaranteed second step or polish on their own specs -- it might be jumping the gun a bit to think you're suddenly going to run H-wood simply because you have a moral center.
                              Here's the thing. I would expect every studio and production company in Hollywood to have a morals clause included in future contracts as protection against my behavior, so why wouldn't I be entitled to the same? I believe it will become a standard thing (I would also expect them to conduct a full background check before getting into business with me as well, that's how dangerous the business has become).

                              And it's true, I don't really have the clout to make any demands. But I think it's time to cast a suspicious eye towards all the non-creatives (producers, agents, managers, etc) who are drawn to Hollywood strictly by the money and power and proximity to celebrities. Why are they there? If it's not for the right reasons, they need to go.

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                              • #30
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                                Kintnerboy, I like your post. On the list of hypocrites please also add Alec Baldwin who got ahead of what was coming and apologized for past indiscretions mere hours before someone was coming forward.

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