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Old 01-24-2008, 09:31 AM   #61
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Gotta say that those that say she just got up one day and wrote for two months and wala a master piece is so out of touch with what really happen. Diablo took months to writ this thing as she went from part-time stripper to a full fledge pole dancer she met up with high rollers those that don't dash on singles but twenties and hundreds. truth is she found an in either through those strip house clients or other. she pounded that strip over and over, eventually the concept was the selling point, though I'm sure she had good gusto with her dialogue.

just trying to make the point that the media likes to hype up new comers as if they just one day picked up the pen and presto 60 days later a full fledge film.
it could make some newbees say dam " why am i taking months to get my **** off the ground? **** not good enough? i don't know. all i know is that rewrites take months to get to a production level.

not trying to water the flames of glory here :-)
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Old 02-10-2008, 06:52 AM   #62
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I hadn't seen JUNO until now.

Ellen Page is just the sweetest. Nice LITTLE movie.

Oscar-worthy though? OSCAR worthy?

And ... really ... if one were going to design a movie to secretly slip in very traditional social propaganda, very ... "lets preach right-to-life" to the kids while maintaining a veneer of hipness, for example ...

JUNO is your subversive trojan horse, imo.

Every so often, I have to remind myself: who is culture and who is counter-culture, these days?

That said: I would bomb clinics or sumthin' if Ellen Page starred in the well-designed propaganda vehicle, yes. Because those babies have lil finger nails! I know HARD CANDY made me want to go out and entrap perverts for a good two or three weeks.

Ellen? Ms. Page? Please don't make a movie sympathetic about the Taliban next, k'?

JUNO was a lovely movie. But ... writing OSCAR's? Yikes.
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Old 02-10-2008, 07:55 AM   #63
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Tabula, free free to call me ignorant, but I can't understand from your previous post if you do think that Juno was "designed" to have a pro-life agenda -- or not. But I think you said it was. Could you please clarify?
And what was that about bombing clinics? Didn't get that, either.

Now, whether you do or don't think there was a designed pro-life agenda in this film, I can tell you that Diablo Cody, based on one interview I read with her, is pro-choice. Taken right from that interview...

"I've had to field so many questions about the sinister pro-life agenda of Juno," she says. "In fact, Juno's decision not to go through with the abortion was simply a narrative device so that Juno - and the audience - would get to meet the adoptive parents. Juno never moralises about the choice she makes. I'm pro-choice, so for me it was very important that the movie did not seem to have any kind of anti-choice agenda."

So there you go. It was a "choice" she made for this particular story. No Trojan horse or intention to slip in a pro-life agenda to moviegoers.

As for Juno being an Oscar nominee, I would say that during any other year it might not be valid to say that it's worthy. However, when you look at some of the other Oscar nominated films out this past year -- both studio and independent -- and weigh in audience appeal, originality and execution (including acting and directing), I would say that it is worthy of a nod. Even though Blood and Old Men were extremely well done films, I did not enjoy them half as much as Juno. IMO it was like this year's Little Miss Sunshine. A critical success and fan favorite.
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Old 02-10-2008, 12:42 PM   #64
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Bob, you're right -- she's who she is, and she does have a distinct voice. It served her well in Juno, and it may serve her well in the future. Only time will tell. And as for your comment on her being white stripper trailer trash, you really don't know what goes on behind the scenes with any screenwriter, do you? Some could be pedophiles, drug addicts, alcoholics, wife beaters, you name it. Again, she's who she is -- and she admits it.
For one, I wish her well.
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Old 02-10-2008, 12:54 PM   #65
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My take on Juno...

I could feel Diablo Cody coming through in the dialog of Juno...

Stripper trailer trash...

I've since seen her in interviews. I think she is who she is.

To those who have to work with her, good luck.

Bob
I haven't seen you say anything here that is anywhere near as smart or clever as her. The above sounds like garden variety misogyny to me.
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Old 02-10-2008, 01:50 PM   #66
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Come on, guys, don't start up with personal attacks (several people above are guilty of that).

Keep it civil and just about the film.
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Old 02-10-2008, 02:48 PM   #67
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My take on Juno...

I could feel Diablo Cody coming through in the dialog of Juno...

Stripper trailer trash...

I've since seen her in interviews. I think she is who she is.

To those who have to work with her, good luck.

Bob


Sorry, couldn't resist it..

Despite this some folk took notice, gave her a chance and she's proved herself and it all came from her sucessful blog of which you speak..

I agree with you Bob but I can't help thinking she's gone on despite our reservations..
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Old 02-10-2008, 05:24 PM   #68
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I saw it the other day and it did, for me, what it was supposed to do. I laughed quite a bit - not many films do that for me anymore. Having said that, the first act was so self-consciously smart-arse heavy that it almost put me off, but then the characters settled into themselves, they slowed down on the characterising - did more "being" - and it all blended nicely.

As for the characters being realistic... IT'S A COMEDY. You get that right? And isn't that a golden rule about comedy - that as long as it's funny, then it doesn't have to be realistic.

So, IMHO, it was a funny, wry little romantic comedy. I mean, it was a distinct twist on the standard rom com fair, but that's what it was ultimately.

Whether it's Oscar worthy - the comment above comparing it to Little Miss Sunshine was spot on. I'd also put Lost In Translation in there too. It's a nice little film that won't change the world but did make many of us laugh (at the characters but also at ourselves) and so it was different enough to warrant attention.

Will it win best screenplay? I haven't seen the other nominees yet, so I have no idea, but I do find that the winner is rarely the "best" script as I would define it anyway. Occasionally they get this right, but often it's about the actual film that comes out at the end. I doubt Juno is big enough to conquer all, but it's different enough that it might slip in when no one is looking.
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Old 02-10-2008, 07:23 PM   #69
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The trick for Diablo Cody is - and it ain't gonna be easy - is how to deal with life after you're yesturday's news. The heat on her can't and won't continue. Even if she writes another winner (meaning boxoffice) she will just be another working screenwriter, but with a lot of money. The tale will be told about her when not as much attention is paid, and how she reacts to it. If she tries like hell to get in the tabs, newspapers and tv interviews, she'll be killed off. Quickly.

Remember Callie Khouri winning an Oscar for her first script Thelma and Louise? And after that... not much.
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Old 02-10-2008, 07:41 PM   #70
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BAFTA

Film Awards Winners in 2008

16 January 08

Winners are highlighted below in bold

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY

AMERICAN GANGSTER – Steven Zaillian
JUNO – Diablo Cody
THE LIVES OF OTHERS – Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck
MICHAEL CLAYTON – Tony Gilroy
THIS IS ENGLAND – Shane Meadows

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY

ATONEMENT – Christopher Hampton
THE DIVING BELL AND THE BUTTERFLY – Ronald Harwood
THE KITE RUNNER – David Benioff
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN – Joel Coen/Ethan Coen
THERE WILL BE BLOOD – Paul Thomas Anderson


Complete list if BAFTA 2008 winners here:-
http://static.bafta.org/awards/film/...08,224,BA.html
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