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  • Re: Nicholl 2015...

    Originally posted by StoryWriter View Post
    Yes, that's EXACTLY the same thing as the reviewer (gender unknown) giving the author of a "raunchy sex comedy", whose gender was unknown at the time, a good review and then making a suggestion (possibly as a joke) that the script might make a good porno.

    The fact is, probably none of us at Done Deal knows enough to make an informed comment on this (that includes me). So it's probably best to stop hyper-leaping to cliched conclusions.

    Personally, by what little I do know, I think it would be odd to give the script a positive review and then intentionally insult the author (gender unknown at the time).
    No, it's not exactly the same, because it's not exactly the same, is it? So let's dismiss it. Let's also dismiss the Nicholl admin insisting that the writer include the title of her script. If that was Greg, I will be sick. Was it you, Greg?
    "You have idea 1, you're excited. It flops. You have idea 99, you're excited. It flops.
    Only a fool is excited by the 100th idea. Fools keep trying. God rewards fools." --Martin Hellman, paraphrased

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    • Re: Nicholl 2015...

      Originally posted by opie View Post
      That's not what happened. As I understand it, the reader gave this person a good score in spite of what they expressed (in an inappropriate way, IMO) as weakness in the story, which is fundamentally what writers seek in feedback.
      This. Yes, heck, yes!!

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      • Re: Nicholl 2015...

        Originally posted by StoryWriter View Post
        Personally, by what little I do know, I think it would be odd to give the script a positive review and then intentionally insult the author (gender unknown at the time).
        That was my take as well.


        Okay, I'm done now.

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        • Re: Nicholl 2015...

          Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
          So let's dismiss it.
          I think that would be a good choice at this point.

          Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
          Let's also dismiss the Nicholl admin insisting that the writer include the title of her script.
          Good idea, since it was only suggested.

          One of the other great aspects of the Nicholl Fellowship at risk is the interaction with program leaders we had here on Done Deal Pro Forums. I would not be surprised if this personal exposure play and subsequent absurd witch hunt jeopardizes that as well. I hope not.
          Last edited by opie; 08-27-2015, 06:00 AM.

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          • Re: Nicholl 2015...

            Geez, there are so many weak arguments being thrown around in defense of this reader's note. It's the sound of people grabbing at straws.

            It doesn't matter that the script is a raunchy sex comedy.

            It doesn't matter that the title of the script is "The Big D".

            It doesn't matter whether the reader was male or female.

            It doesn't matter that the reader didn't know the gender of the writer.

            It doesn't matter that the reader may have been attempting to make a joke. Or that the reader may have been attempting to match the tone of the script.

            It doesn't matter if the reader ultimately give a positive note.

            None of these factors changes the fact that the note was inappropriate, and therefore unprofessional. Everything else is moot.

            Just because you personally didn't take offense to it, doesn't mean it didn't fall below a certain standard that is recognizable by most.
            "I love being a writer. What I can't stand is the paperwork.-- Peter De Vries

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            • Re: Nicholl 2015...

              Originally posted by UpandComing View Post
              Geez, there are so many weak arguments being thrown around in defense of this reader's note. It's the sound of people grabbing at straws.

              It doesn't matter that the script is a raunchy sex comedy.

              It doesn't matter that the title of the script is "The Big D".

              It doesn't matter whether the reader was male or female.

              It doesn't matter that the reader didn't know the gender of the writer.

              It doesn't matter that the reader may have been attempting to make a joke. Or that the reader may have been attempting to match the tone of the script.

              It doesn't matter if the reader ultimately give a positive note.

              None of these factors changes the fact that the note was inappropriate, and therefore unprofessional. Everything else is moot.

              Just because you personally didn't take offense to it, doesn't mean it didn't fall below a certain standard that is recognizable by most.
              +1

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              • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                Originally posted by UpandComing View Post
                None of these factors changes the fact that the note was inappropriate, and therefore unprofessional.
                As is Koller's (and others) ongoing gratuitous dragging of Nicholl through the mud.

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                • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                  Originally posted by opie View Post
                  As is Koller's (and others) ongoing gratuitous dragging of Nicholl through the mud.
                  She's not "dragging Nicholl through the mud." Show me a single quote where she criticizes the organization as a whole. Go ahead.

                  She's just responding to media inquiries about a troublesome exchange that took place in a public forum. And criticizing a) the reader who gave her the offending notes and b) the Nicholl Facebook rep who gave an insincere apology.

                  There are certainly people participating in a witch hunt against Nicholl. I don't think she's one of them, but her post clearly motivated many of them to go on that hunt.

                  There are also people clearly participating in a witch hunt against her. And frankly, it's just sad.
                  "I love being a writer. What I can't stand is the paperwork.-- Peter De Vries

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                  • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                    Originally posted by UpandComing View Post
                    She's not "dragging Nicholl through the mud."
                    Koller's unprofessional decision to publicize her grievance without first going directly to Nicholl leadership has done exactly that. Look at the Mashable article, or now the Chicago Tribune article published today, entitled: "Sexist script notes exposed in screenwriting contest run by Oscars organization."

                    I hope we agree that the Nicholl mea culpa published within a few hours of Koller's initial post should have satisfied her concern, if resolving the issue was truly her priority. Her actions before and since then suggest otherwise.

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                    • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                      Not getting back into that debate. Already made my arguments in that respect clear.
                      "I love being a writer. What I can't stand is the paperwork.-- Peter De Vries

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                      • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                        Admire all of your posts in this thread, UpandComing. Bravo!

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                        • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                          Originally posted by Scriptonian View Post
                          Admire all of your posts in this thread, UpandComing. Bravo!
                          Agreed.

                          Too funny how people are referring to her leaving a comment on the FB page as "going nuclear." With a bazooka even. Yesterday I left a two-star Yelp review for a dry cleaner who shrunk all my sweaters to child-sized. Didn't realize I was launching a heat-seeking missile.

                          Also, who's even looking at the FB page besides us nerdy, obsessive, writers? (Overall it's a good page - very well curated. My favorite is when they post the first page of various scripts!)

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                          • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                            Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
                            Too funny how people are referring to her leaving a comment on the FB page as "going nuclear."
                            Or funnier yet how one person's desire for personal exposure is cheered on by some as a victory against sexism. Too bad there may be negative consequences for the rest of us, including those who regularly fight for the same cause.

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                            • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                              Thanks, Scriptonian and BKDodger

                              At first I was gonna jump on the "bash the writer" bandwagon based on the initial set of posts on here, but then I paused to actually read through all the Facebook posts, articles, etc., and all the anger directed at her just didn't make sense to me. I'm comforted by the fact that prominent voices such as Bitter Script Reader, Emily Blake, and Nicholl itself are on our side.
                              "I love being a writer. What I can't stand is the paperwork.-- Peter De Vries

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                              • Re: Nicholl 2015...

                                Originally posted by UpandComing View Post
                                At first I was gonna jump on the "bash the writer" bandwagon based on the initial set of posts on here, but then I paused to actually read through all the Facebook posts, articles, etc., and all the anger directed at her just didn't make sense to me.
                                At first I was gonna jump on the "bash the Nicholl" bandwagon based on the initial set of posts on Facebook, but then I paused to actually read the Nicholl mea culpa, and see the absurd steps taken since by the writer and/or entourage to throw Nicholl under the bus, get people fired, publish articles in the press for personal exposure and get representation, and all of that anger directed at the competition just didn't make sense to me.

                                The lesson here is that there are often ways to achieve your goals without getting there at the expense of others. It's worth the effort in the long run.
                                Last edited by opie; 08-28-2015, 10:58 AM.

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