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Old 09-05-2014, 11:12 AM   #1
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Default Next steps on The Black List?

So it's been a month since I uploaded my first script to the blacklist.

After a rocky start with my first review, my next 2 seemed on point. I got on some lists which lead to some views and downloads. While I've been contacted because of some of these downloads, I'm still waiting to see if anything pans out.

From the reviews, it seems my script is close to being ready. I agree and think 1 or 2 passes can make it great. There are some pretty easily addressable issues I can fix.

So my question is, do I leave my script up while I do these changes or take it down? I feel ok with that draft being out there but am I hurting myself because it's not the best it can be?

If I take it down, when I reupload my new draft, do I pay for new reviews?

Not sure exactly what the optimum way to proceed is.
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Old 09-05-2014, 06:00 PM   #2
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So it's been a month since I uploaded my first script to the blacklist.

After a rocky start with my first review, my next 2 seemed on point. I got on some lists which lead to some views and downloads. While I've been contacted because of some of these downloads, I'm still waiting to see if anything pans out.

From the reviews, it seems my script is close to being ready. I agree and think 1 or 2 passes can make it great. There are some pretty easily addressable issues I can fix.

So my question is, do I leave my script up while I do these changes or take it down? I feel ok with that draft being out there but am I hurting myself because it's not the best it can be?

If I take it down, when I reupload my new draft, do I pay for new reviews?

Not sure exactly what the optimum way to proceed is.
It really depends on you.

A few questions, if I may? Did your overall score rate 8 or above with two reviews? Did you receive any 9s? Did you receive an overall 7 with some 8s? Is the first score, that you seems to imply was low, calculating into your average? Or was it dismissed altogether?

I would say, and it's just an opinion, if you received an overall 7 on both reviews and you feel the rewrite is essential, then I would take it down, rewrite it, upload the new version, then pay for the two reads.

And hopefully they'll be higher.

Of course, there's no guarantee that they will be higher, so you have to be prepared for that. Because even if you received one that was lower than the other two, the reviews are subjective and it's possible that a similar thing could happen.

I don't actually recall if anyone has offered their experience when they have completed a rewrite and what the new scores were on the new draft compared to the old. It would be interesting to get that insight as I have a script I'll begin to rewrite in the next two weeks or so, and I'll upload then.

While the revised draft is waiting for reviews, I would start querying before you receive any results back, because TBL is one opportunity. You can still query with "Received 8s on an early draft." I think it's safe to assume that most would believe that the new draft should be ready-- especially you, right?

Even when you delist it, it should still show up in the index, I'm pretty sure that's right. The script just won't be downloadable. There are plenty of screenplays that are indexed but you can't download them because they are not currently hosted.

Can't really tell you what's right for you. But good luck with it, sounds like you're close.
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Old 09-05-2014, 06:15 PM   #3
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It really depends on you.

A few questions, if I may? Did your overall score rate 8 or above with two reviews? Did you receive any 9s? Did you receive an overall 7 with some 8s? Is the first score, that you seems to imply was low, calculating into your average? Or was it dismissed altogether?

I would say, and it's just an opinion, if you received an overall 7 on both reviews and you feel the rewrite is essential, then I would take it down, rewrite it, upload the new version, then pay for the two reads.

And hopefully they'll be higher.

Of course, there's no guarantee that they will be higher, so you have to be prepared for that. Because even if you received one that was lower than the other two, the reviews are subjective and it's possible that a similar thing could happen.

I don't actually recall if anyone has offered their experience when they have completed a rewrite and what the new scores were on the new draft compared to the old. It would be interesting to get that insight as I have a script I'll begin to rewrite in the next two weeks or so, and I'll upload then.

While the revised draft is waiting for reviews, I would start querying before you receive any results back, because TBL is one opportunity. You can still query with "Received 8s on an early draft." I think it's safe to assume that most would believe that the new draft should be ready-- especially you, right?

Even when you delist it, it should still show up in the index, I'm pretty sure that's right. The script just won't be downloadable. There are plenty of screenplays that are indexed but you can't download them because they are not currently hosted.

Can't really tell you what's right for you. But good luck with it, sounds like you're close.
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I got a 6 and 7 and the first review was thrown out.

I think I am leaning towards taking it down and then putting up my new script in a week or two and paying for two new reviews.

Thanks for the insight. It's been helpful!
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Old 09-05-2014, 06:36 PM   #4
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I got a 6 and a 7, then two 5's that were taken down cause the readers gave a false logline. Actually, 4 out of my 7 reviews were retracted, so I'm hesitant to keep going.
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I got a 6 and a 7, then two 5's that were taken down cause the readers gave a false logline. Actually, 4 out of my 7 reviews were retracted, so I'm hesitant to keep going.
If four out of seven professional readers can't make sense of your script, it might not be them.
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:28 PM   #6
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This may be overstating things but, if you don't have at least one 8, delete it and start over. I suspect pros won't bother reading anything with average scores less than that.
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Old 09-06-2014, 09:25 AM   #7
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If four out of seven professional readers can't make sense of your script, it might not be them.
That's a low blow and a stupid comment.

This stuff happens all the time -- professional readers not really reading and the review is haywire. Details wrong. Huge plot points wrong. Stuff skimmed and not actually read. Mumbo jumbo of "weaknesses" so vague that they can apply to anyone's script.

On the blacklist it's provable -- when it happens for prod co and studio reads, you just get a polite pass instead of pages of comments that prove the reader wasn't adequate.
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Old 09-06-2014, 11:29 AM   #8
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That's a low blow and a stupid comment.

This stuff happens all the time -- professional readers not really reading and the review is haywire. Details wrong. Huge plot points wrong. Stuff skimmed and not actually read. Mumbo jumbo of "weaknesses" so vague that they can apply to anyone's script.

On the blacklist it's provable -- when it happens for prod co and studio reads, you just get a polite pass instead of pages of comments that prove the reader wasn't adequate.
I have to agree with Figment on this, because if TBL is giving you another review at no charge or at a discounted rate, they are agreeing with you to some degree.

And it's not necessarily that the readers couldn't make sense, sometimes it's that they actually state things that are untruths. Sometimes they get character's names wrong and if you're going to post a review on your spec they should at least get the main character's name right.

And yes, it's subjective. We can all make these same mistakes.

I don't believe there's any intentional harm or fowl, and I commend TBL on their customer service-- it's top notch.

One thing I would caution the OP and others about the reviews is that when they write the review about the strengths and weaknesses, understand that they are going to say good things about your spec's strengths.

Don't let it go to your head, because by nature it's going to be good stuff. That's what they're supposed to do, but as the originator, it's your job to be honest with yourself, too.

If they say really great things about your spec and give you 7s, there are problems that you need to address and not all of them may be found in the review. You still have work to do, imo. That's where I'm at, too.

You know in your gut if you need to work harder to get your spec up to par. Don't ignore it, don't get trapped in 'busy work,' like wordsmithing and such. The problems will be deeper than that. Hunker down and turn out one hell of a rewrite.

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Old 09-06-2014, 12:30 PM   #9
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It's easier to give someone a refund than to fight them.

If more than half of professional readers can't understand your script, look inwards.
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:19 PM   #10
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To get back to the OP’s question regarding next steps:

I would just leave the script up until you have a draft that is sufficiently improved, then delist it just before the monthly bill comes around and re-upload it the next day. The exposure is not going to “poison the well” because you’re not getting enough exposure to do damage to yourself.

As for next steps in general, consider using whatever momentum you’ve gained on The Black List in other venues. One thing I did was I would get a script on a top list a couple of times (which is very easy to do – two sixes is enough), then go to Virtual Pitch Fest and say, “Hey, this has been on a mailing list and/or was featured.” It’s a quick, cheap way to get some kind of badge for your script without waiting for a competition to roll around.

Also, it helps with querying if you can go, “Here is a logline and an attached review.” It shows the reader you are open to criticism and have had your project vetted (just omit the scores if they’re low – nobody will care that they’re missing).

Another thing you can do is use the frequent nature of getting listed or getting on a mailing list as an excuse to follow up with someone. Rather than go, “Hey, it’s been a month. What did you think of my script?” You can just say, “Hey! I don’t know if you’ve gotten to my project yet, but I wanted to let you know that it was just featured on so-and-so!”

Producers, and by extension readers (who are just larval producers), are always hungry for buzz. That’s one thing The Black List can reliably put out: buzz.

As for scores, they’re important but not the end-all-be-all. I had one script that was very well reviewed and never generated much attention. I had another that received a good review, then a bad review, then a good one, and so on. The latter script was written in a week and never received as strong a score as the first script. However, it was constantly getting downloaded. I eventually took it down because I wanted to put something more substantive on there.

Why did the latter script generate more interest? Well, it had a better logline. It was a more attractive genre. And it had a few keywords that probably attracted niche producers. It also frequently received 8s on component scores (there is a second mailing list for those), so there is that. However, the downloads-per-day rate was largely independent of the timing of the reviews.

Finally, if you look at some of the featured scripts, it seems like you only really need one 8 to generate sufficient buzz. This is probably why they’re so willing to give out additional reviews, because your last review is the most important and an 8 is just that good. If you’re consistently getting 7s, there’s probably a reader in their pool who will eventually give you a high enough score. Just read some of the featured reviews and you’ll get a sense for how different the readers can be.
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