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Old 10-16-2019, 03:39 AM   #1
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:40 AM   #2
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Hey Spacefarer, i’m a little confused by your post and so apologies if I’ve missed something here. At the top of the message you mentioned an action thriller spec script that you’ve been working on. In regards to that one, are you saying your manager has been developing this spec with you for 8 years now and never taken it out to the market? Or shared it with any directors, agents etc he/she thinks might dig?

That’s a major red flag to me.

For example, my last feature spec that my reps took out, I developed for a couple of weeks further with my manager after I sent across a ‘first draft’, then with the manager happy, I passed it on to my agents, who read within a week and gave me a round of notes. Then they took it out. Same with a pilot script I have out now. I wrote it, gave it to my agents, who read it in a few days. Rang me with some thoughts. I implemented them, and since then they’ve started setting up meetings with producers. All within a week of that. To me that seems standard. Others may disagree. I can only relay my own experiences. Sometimes it can take a little longer on this front, if there’s a backlog of reads but 8 years and no urgency to get it out??? Wow. That would be a problem for me personally.

As for the second script you mentioned, congrats on the placement. By the sounds of it though, they don’t appear to be showing much interest/ enthusiasm in getting it out to industry folks whatsoever. Not just agents but execs. My guess is they’re not that jazzed by the material and don’t want to offend you. Course after 8 years as a team, they should be able to be honest with you if that’s truly the case.

Ultimately (IMHO) a rep’s job is to get eyes on your work and help you build a fanbase that leads to paid gigs. If they’re not doing that, then they’re not doing enough. Have they actively got other scripts of yours out to folks over the years? If not, that’s a conversation that needs to be had.

Also, side note, I’ve only ever done one pagers/ snynopsis’ for producers. Not reps.

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Old 10-16-2019, 05:01 AM   #3
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This whole situation sounds crazy. Iím also curious about that second script - was this written in the past eight years and he had no idea you were writing it?

Everything about this is dysfunctional. I 100% believe you arenít high maintenance because this guy has led you around on one effing script for eight years. I took out four specs this past year with my manager. Thatís on the high side. But anything less than one per year seems bananas for someone who hasnít made their first sale.
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:20 AM   #4
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:42 AM   #5
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Would love for you to PM me who this rep is, out of morbid curiosity.

Normally, Iíd say run like hell. But your Chinese Democracy/Avatar development cycle has me all sorts of flummoxed. This just seems impossible.
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Old 10-16-2019, 06:59 AM   #6
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Look into getting a UK agent. If you’re based in the UK and have a script you believe in, that’s a better starting point. Even if it’s not right for the UK market they’ll be able to help set it up and introduce you to folks. Also, your manager can’t get funny about that as it’s a different side of the pond. I have British agents, as well as American agents and managers. They often work as one big team. At the very least it may force your current manager to take it out to producers. Also, it’s not ideal that he hasn’t developed and taken anything else out for you. Here’s a list of UK agencies that are well respected.

Independent Talent Group (ITG)
United Agents
Curtis Brown Group
Cassarotto & Ramsey
Berlin Associates
42 Management (they’re an agency and prod co)
The Agency
Sayle Screen

Most of these have direct contacts on their websites
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:30 AM   #7
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The question is now: I am willing to pull the plug, but how do I get out of this situation without throwing 8 years in the trash bin?
I think this is the real question you're asking.

I'm not repped, so anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

But this person has no claim to your script AT ALL. They repped it for 8 years. But didn't send it anywhere or get you an agent.

YOU CAN LEAVE WITH YOUR SCRIPT and get it repped elsewhere with someone who will push it to sell. You owe this person nothing.


In all honesty -- is this person even a rep? Who spends 8 years giving notes and still doesn't want to sell it?
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:26 AM   #8
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I think this is the real question you're asking.

I'm not repped, so anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

But this person has no claim to your script AT ALL. They repped it for 8 years. But didn't send it anywhere or get you an agent.

YOU CAN LEAVE WITH YOUR SCRIPT and get it repped elsewhere with someone who will push it to sell. You owe this person nothing.


In all honesty -- is this person even a rep? Who spends 8 years giving notes and still doesn't want to sell it?
Without knowing the substance of their understanding on the manager-client relationship, i would say . . . maybe. Because I can make a pretty good guess that if the writer takes the script out themselves, or even through a different rep, and it sells, this guy is going to come back on them strongly for some kind of producer credit. Unless it was totally clear (in writing, ideally) that they had agreed eight years ago up front that all the development work they did was strictly as manager to writer for the usual 10% commission if it eventually sold.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:15 AM   #9
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Wait, so in 8 years has he done ANYTHING for you? Gotten you generals? Rewrite work? Anything? Or has it just been eight years honing this one project?

My other big question is this, have they successfully taken out projects for other clients? Because based on the little youíve shared, it kind of sounds like maybe they secretly donít really have the connections to take out this script.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:45 AM   #10
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42 Management (theyíre an agency and prod co)
Just to be safe, 42 is a management company. We've always listed them as such, but more importantly and from their own site:

"42 is a fully integrated management and production company..."

"42 represents the industry's leading actors, writers, directors, casting directors and producers.

Managers

Kate Buckley
Alex Bloch
Molly Cowan
Etc., etc."

Or is there a different 42?
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