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    so how many of you white guys, cute and not so cute - doesn't matter had (or have) a black girl poster on your wall?
    I still have a mad crush on Stacey Dash. Does that count?

    No posters on my walls of women of any ethnicity. That space was reserved for Iron Maiden posters.

    Run to the hills! Run for your lives!
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      My penis is nothing like John Mayer's.

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        Originally posted by SBScript View Post
        "the way women portray themselves in the media."

        Really?

        Which gender overwhelmingly writes, produces, directs, and greenlights film and television?

        You seem to think that a woman who is playing a role is somehow the one who has created that role, and therefore has control, i.e., "willingly portray themselves" (taking the job) is the same as generating the role. But, you're wrong, it's not the same thing at all.
        Thank you.

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          Originally posted by SBScript View Post
          All that being said, I can tell you, without seeing the movie, that in all probability, given the tradition of teen party movies from which this springs, all of which were written by men harkening back (?) to their days of sexual frustration as a driving creative force, this movie contains messages which may not be entirely helpful to young dudes trying to understand, get along with, and maybe even have sex, with chicks. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
          I don't think you're wrong. These kinds of films proffer a totally unrealistic expectation for those young dudes you mention. The nudity doesn't bother me. It's the characterization of the female roles. Young guys -- who likely do sneak in after buying a ticket for a PG film -- grow up with the idea that all young women should behave like the women in films like these. And this expectation creates problems.
          Last edited by sc111; 03-09-2012, 07:57 PM.
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            Originally posted by kintnerboy View Post
            I always go back to the same thing here. Done Deal is supposed to be a message board for writers. Writers are supposed to be the ones that see through everyone else's BS, not buy into it.
            Here, here.

            Originally posted by kintnerboy View Post
            I have no idea what gender you are (based on your name) but let me let you in on a little secret. Most guys don't even like to aggressively objectify women (whistle at them on the street, hit on them with cheesy pick-up lines in bars). They do it so no one thinks they're gay (which, in America, is the worst thing you can accuse a young man of being.... and women are just as guilty as the men of creating this environment).
            And people wonder why some boys go on school shootings. I should know because I was a quiet kid who wasn't "overly masculine" but wasn't homosexual.

            Originally posted by kintnerboy View Post
            That's essentially the problem. But it gets misconstrued as misogyny, or objectifying women or whatever, because everyone is so busy being angry and self-righteous to see the truth.

            Here's a better example: The reason that cheerleaders jump up and down on the sidelines of football games is so men can oogle them and say "Look at those pom-poms" and remind each other that they're heterosexual. No one seems to have a problem with this.

            But when confronted with actual sexuality, say like Janet Jackson's nipple popping out at the Superbowl, the media and woman's and parent's groups tell them that they should be offended and outraged.

            With this kind of double-standard, it's no wonder the biggest Super Bowl advertisers that year were Viagra and Cialis. How can anyone get turned on when they're so angry all the time?
            When that uproar happened, I shook my head in embarrassment. People were calling that obscene, while something that happened two years earlier, at that time, was TRULY OBSCENE.

            Originally posted by kintnerboy View Post
            And really, there are horrible atrocities committed against women every day in Africa and China and the Middle East. Lets fix that first before we worry about latent misogyny in American comedy films.
            Sadly, kin, it's easy to decry a T&A comedy than it is to tell a foreign country not to demean their distaff citizens. All in all, I agree with you, and I find it interesting that a T&A comedy has sparked such a long message board thread. 20+ pages?!
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                Originally posted by sasqits
                But when he gets there her pimp kidnaps him and sells him as a sex slave.
                And that's how I found love...

                This is a crazy long thread for a movie like this (which I still have not seen - but when I do I will most likely be comparing it to CHRONICLE since both are FF style high school party movies that happen to have the same budget).

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                  Originally posted by Madbandit View Post
                  All in all, I agree with you, and I find it interesting that a T&A comedy has sparked such a long message board thread. 20+ pages?!

                  Earlier in this thread, someone said that "geezers" (men in their 30's and 40's btw) 'haven't got the slightest idea what today's kids are like'.

                  That statement is inaccurate for three reasons.

                  One, it ignores the fact that teen movies have always been written by geezers.

                  Two, it's ignorant of the fact that young people have never changed. The clothes and music change. The slang changes. People don't. And every generation thinks they invented sex. The Millennial's came up with the Shocker, in the 70's it was the Zipless Fvck...... I'm telling you, somewhere in the 1300's, during the plague, there were people who think they invented the BJ.

                  Three, the advent of the internet is changing the world in ways that we won't really appreciate for years to come.

                  The movie Fast Times At Ridgemont High was so groundbreaking because Cameron Crowe, who looked young, went back to high school 'undercover' and really captured what kids were like at the time.

                  Now everyone lives their lives in public. Everyone knows what young people are like today. It's no mystery. They live their lives on You Tube.

                  I still say there's a movie to be made here (hopefully written by a woman). It can't be a coincidence that the first generation to come of age with porn on their cell phones has pretty much rejected the romantic comedy genre.

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                    I'm sorry but there's nothing I can think of that would get me to pay and watch this film. If I do happen to see it it'll be because it's come on TNT and there's nothing else worth watching.

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                      Originally posted by sasqits
                      But it turns out that the young dude goes to see Latest Chick Flick instead b/c he learned that the girl that he likes is going and he hopes to run into her. Now he leaves the movie with the idea that that all women should behave like the ones he just watched. Not a problem?
                      When he leaves the building, a crack-head prostitute invites him to her house to play video games and drink soda. Why wouldn’t he go with her, he expects all women are trustworthy like the ones he saw in the movie. But when he gets there her pimp kidnaps him and sells him as a sex slave.
                      This is why Hollywood must STOP PRODUCING CHICK FLICKS!!! It’s just wrong.
                      Anyway, I’m sure you think that you meant well as do I. These boards are fun sometimes, now they’re boring.
                      Peace
                      Unless you're a woman in real life you have no idea how often the media's portrayal of women impacts how some males (not all) treat women every day. We just deal with it. But it's not a mystery where these distorted ideas about women come from.
                      Last edited by sc111; 03-13-2012, 11:55 AM.
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                        Originally posted by sasqits
                        I don't want to go too much further into this b/c I don't think these types of internet debates are worth the time. And we're kind of on the same side. If these were the only types of portrayals of women in the media, it would be a problem. Thankfully we have all types of portrayals.

                        If we're talking about the film industry, actresses who want to be taken seriously do not take these roles. They don't want to be portrayed in that light. If no women take these roles, they will no longer be written, greenlit, etc. It's kind of like the chicken and egg debate. The greenlight may have come first but without women willing to play the roles, there is no movie.

                        This debate used to be relevant. Today there are tons of opportunities for women in media. There is a wide spectrum of portrayals of women in modern media. Hollywood may still be dominated by males but there are no male equivalents to Ellen or Oprah or JK Rowling or Tyra Banks. The Bachelor may have been created by a man but I don't think it's men who are tuning in to make it a success. Nobody is forcing Beyonce or Madonna or Rhianna or Angelina Jolie or Natalie Portman or Kristen Stewart or Gisele Bundchen or etc, etc. etc to portray themselves in their work in a way they don't want to be portrayed.

                        Some women enjoy being seen as objects. You may think that's a problem. They may think you're the problem. As long as there is some balance of portrayals in the media, like we have, we're okay.

                        Peace
                        Things have changed for women in some incredibly positive ways, just like things have changed for black people. The fact that we have a black president doesn't mean that racism has gone away. The fact that women have more roles available to them doesn't mean that sexism has gone away. Your logic takes a tiny slice of the picture of how women are taught to perceive their own value and the way that impacts their choices in life.

                        The whole concept that you should "blame women" for portraying the roles that have been offered to them is ignorant almost beyond belief. (I believe a different poster said that). I'm sure folks said the same thing back when the only roles for black people were mammies, slaves, and subhuman comic relief. Did those actors want to play those roles, no, of course they didn't, but they wanted to act, and that was often all that was available to them.

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                          Good grief.
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                            Well, there you go. Decades of study and empirical evidence soundly trashed by "real life" encounters.

                            By the way, I don't want to work, either. I want to find a woman who's well-off, and I'LL cook and clean and give her sex whenever she wants.

                            Good grief is right.

                            HH

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                              Originally posted by haroldhecuba View Post
                              By the way, I don't want to work, either. I want to find a woman who's well-off, and I'LL cook and clean and give her sex whenever she wants.
                              Me too. Is there a "sugar-mama wanted" section in the DDP forums? Or sugar-daddy -- I'm versatile -- I really don't want to work.

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                                By the way, I don't want to work, either. I want to find a woman who's well-off, and I'LL cook and clean and give her sex whenever she wants.
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