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Old 08-04-2012, 12:02 AM   #41
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I don't know if the older films were 'right' or 'wrong' for taking certain cinematic license and conscious departure from the novels. In the earlier days they knew what was in the novels and they made a specific choice to make certain changes for the film. How can those artistic choices be 'right' or 'wrong'. Whatever, they tapped into something special that created a 23 film series. If they stayed true to the novels from the beginning would the franchise be so successful? imo probably not.

Admittedly I only read "Casino Royale", and as far as novels go, I wasn't eagerly looking forward to the next book in the series the way the pre-Brosnan films made me want to see the next one, even the films that weren't so hot still left me waiting for the next.

If the series started with the Daniel Craig style Bond, would it have lasted for 20 something sequels without the fun factor? My bet is no.

Maybe the filmmakers actually did do something 'right' by taking some departure from the books when they created the film series. 20 something sequels can't be all that 'wrong'.
The "Casino Royale" novel isn't really representative of the bold fantasies Fleming would later go on to create. EON got it right by choosing one of the better novels "Dr. No" to launch the series. The first four movies, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service , are pretty close adaptations.

Bond wasn't all doom and gloom in the novels. The James Bond who appears in Fleming's "You Only Live Twice" (nothing like the movie) is basically Sean Connery -- a great sense of humour and an eye for the ladies.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:23 AM   #42
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Casino Royale had some amazing word of mouth among audiences, so obviously they are willing to embrace a more serious approach to Bond series. Quantum Of Solace opened big thanks to the WOM of the previous film, and dropped fast because it wasn't nearly as good.

Skyfall has some amazing marketing and Mendes at helm. So things are definitely looking good for this film, both critically and commercially. The biggest obstacle it has is the so-so reaction to Quantum. But this could still hit 200 million domestically - A first for a Bond film

I still find it weird that QOF was released in the condition it was. There was a good film in there, it was just terribly edited with no sense of pacing. A good example of how bad editing can ruin an otherwise good film. Forster is a good director, but he dropped the ball there.

It would be rather easy to argue that the Bond series has lasted so long, because it adapts and changes over time.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:50 PM   #43
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GREAT TRAILER!

Javier B is such a badass in this! CAN'T WAIT!
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:55 PM   #44
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Next Bond girl should be Dayana Mendoza from Celebrity apprentice.
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:46 PM   #45
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I think it should be Leryn Franco, the javelin thrower from Paraguay.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:43 AM   #46
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I've loved James Bond movies since I was a kid, always looked forward to them in the summer - yep, back in the old days they were summer releases, not winter - but I've got a bit bored of Bond. Perhaps there's only so many times you can redo the same thing without losing some of its appeal. You'll notice in the Skyfall trailer M says "where the hell have you been?" to Bond and it's pretty much the same scene as in Casino Royale when M returns to her home and Bond's there. Deja vu, I remember you!

Also, Craig's Bond seems as one note as, say, Roger Moore's. Roger Moore may have been a one dimensional type James Bond (I guess Sean Connery was too) but he did have charm and a playful sense of humour. Craig's Bond is one note with little humour and a lot of pent up frustration. Someone needs to grab hold of him and say "lighten up, man!!!!"

The genius of Sean Connery's James Bond was his ability to be tough and smooth. He was the blueprint movie James Bond but as time goes by, as contemporary action movies strive to be more gritty and dark (whatever that means), the smoothness is eroded. The current Bond producers are inspired by Jason Bourne type movies, not the previous Bond movies, and that's a shame.

It would be nice if the producers put the gun barrel scene back in its correct place. Quantum of Solace stuck the gun barrel at the end of the film!

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Old 08-06-2012, 09:59 AM   #47
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Does nobody get that this is a portrayal of James Bond from early in his career? Daniel Craig isn't acting like Sean Connery because his Bond isn't that Bond YET.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:02 AM   #48
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Also, Craig's Bond seems as one note as, say, Roger Moore's. Roger Moore may have been a one dimensional type James Bond (I guess Sean Connery was too) but he did have charm and a playful sense of humour. Craig's Bond is one note with little humour and a lot of pent up frustration. Someone needs to grab hold of him and say "lighten up, man!!!!"!
I'm pretty much ignoring Quantum Of Solace here, as the film really suffered from way too tight editing, from beginning to end.

But personally I thought that Craig's performance in Casino Royale is by far the most nuanced and varied Bond performance I've seen. I also think he is very funny in the film, but in a very subtle and laconic manner. Craig does a lot of work with very small gestures and slight variations in voice. I laughed out aloud just watching him on the background in some scenes, as his reactions are priceless. The scene with the dorky doctor in the beginning of act 3 is a good example.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:06 AM   #49
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You guys are cranky and old. Craig's Bond is the best of the bunch. And this incarnation of Bond is the only Bond with any depth. Casino Royale actually dealt with who Bond was and pushed his character - Vesper was a complex character, not just eye candy. CR had everything that was cool about Bond and none of the silliness. For me, it's the film that is the most fully realized interpretation of the franchise out there. The old Bond films were mostly campy cartoon-like romps that were light, frivolous affairs. Nothing wrong with that, but the Mission Impossible films fill that void. If you're going to explore character and relationships in an action film, then it's going to be heavier. DEAL WITH IT!
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I always liked Roger Moore & his 007. Moore actually looks the most like Ian Fleming's description of James Bond.
Octo*****(1983) is my favorite 007 film. A View To A Kill(1985) has the best Bond opening. The Casino Royale(2006) opening scene was impressive too.
I'd rather see Clive Owen as 007 but Daniel Craig & his sneer are bringing in the box office.
The latest James Bond novel, Carte Blanche has 007 working in a top secret spec ops unit(not MI6 or SIS as in other properties). The novel's plot & storyline could propel a few 007 action films.

I don't have high hopes for Skyfall. I did see it's in IMAX too. I think it's the first Bond film to use the format.
If I could pitch one note to the Bond producers or studio execs, I'd replace Dame Judy Dench as M with the terrific actor who played Al on Deadwood & was in the indie film; Sexy Beast. He is old enough & could be a former 00 operative.

Dench is good, but she's been a lot of Bond films. Time for some new actors.

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