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Old 11-15-2019, 10:01 AM   #1
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This was a bit of a shock to me. Learning that it wasn't the material, but rather the personal struggle that got you noticed on your submission. Seems clear they did not read every script submitted. with 11,000 entrants, that seems likely since they have to process the applicants in a very short period of time.

If you think about it, 11,000 entrants in 28 days is 392 scripts a day. They simply do not have the man-power to achieve that expectation, so of course the scripts aren't read until the system makes its "selections."

Here's an excerpt: https://www.wired.com/story/imagine-...source=twitter

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This year, the program received more than 11,000 submissions for just 17 spots in its third class. The Impact application consists of 70 questions, what Mitchell describes as a “thesis-like defense” of why the writer’s particular project deserves investment. To manage the overwhelming volume, Impact uses machine learning to sift through the giant pool of applications and identify new voices. The AI is part device, part catalyst: The technology searches for diverse applicants–Mitchell explains they look for people who have overcome challenges in their careers or lives–with the goal of shaking up the historically homogenous film industry.
Disappointing to have spent all that time to answer the 70 questions and not get read, but hey, it's their sandbox, good to understand the process finally.

I wonder if the motivation behind releasing this information isn't in some way to discourage the high submission rate.

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Old 11-15-2019, 09:47 PM   #2
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This was a bit of a shock to me. Learning that it wasn't the material, but rather the personal struggle that got you noticed on your submission. Seems clear they did not read every script submitted. with 11,000 entrants, that seems likely since they have to process the applicants in a very short period of time.

If you think about it, 11,000 entrants in 28 days is 392 scripts a day. They simply do not have the man-power to achieve that expectation, so of course the scripts aren't read until the system makes its "selections."

Here's an excerpt: https://www.wired.com/story/imagine-...source=twitter

Disappointing to have spent all that time to answer the 70 questions and not get read, but hey, it's their sandbox, good to understand the process finally.

I wonder if the motivation behind releasing this information isn't in some way to discourage the high submission rate.

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I read this article and I thought it was really interesting that they a) admitted they're using software to do a pass through the applications and b) admitted (in general terms) what the parameters are -- because now people are going to try to "game the system" with their answers. I don't think it will discourage anyone from applying but I think the answers will change a lot.

Very interesting!!
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Old 11-16-2019, 07:23 AM   #3
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This was a bit of a shock to me. Learning that it wasn't the material, but rather the personal struggle that got you noticed on your submission.
Very interesting.

Quote from article: The technology searches for diverse applicants–Mitchell explains they look for people who have overcome challenges in their careers or lives–with the goal of shaking up the historically homogenous film industry.

So, thinking out loud -- I wonder if that's why so many of the chosen participants (it seemed to me, anyway) had a show before or already had reps or sold stuff -- and then stagnated? Does that count as a "hardship" more than never having had a sale?

Also, is that the best way to chose -- instead of choosing from the strength of the material -- if the script doesn't end up selling even after participating in the program?
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Old 11-17-2019, 05:41 PM   #4
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the next round will prolly be a bunch of writers trying to answer the questions to get the AI's attention.

me: imma gonna enter a bunch of 1s and 0s.
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Old 11-17-2019, 07:24 PM   #5
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How would AI be able to evaluate? Screenwriting is such a subjective process. How are they going to pick out the next Vince Gilligans from the stack? Anyways, most of the winners were already repped, so who knows how much AI is used.
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How would AI be able to evaluate? Screenwriting is such a subjective process. How are they going to pick out the next Vince Gilligans from the stack? Anyways, most of the winners were already repped, so who knows how much AI is used.
their goal isn't to evaluate the quality of the writing, but use a set of "keys" that help them identify diverse writers who have faced and overcome personal and/or professional challenges.

with a few answers to questions you can determine quality for the most part: are you repped? have you been repped? have you won any contests? or awards? do they write in another field? all of these answers help them narrow the field.

they're not looking for the next VG necessarily or even the best writers, they're looking for diverse voices with the best stories. the accelerator program will help them craft their project to the professional level. most are already at the pro level in their professions/writing field.

if you look at the submissions alone, there is NO WAY they have the man power to have "eyes on." they have to narrow the selections down. there's no way around it.

with 11,000 entrants that means they'd have to read 392 scripts and applications EVERY DAY for 28 days, they don't have 300 people reading for them. and no one can read that much material for a straight 28 days. it's logistically impossible to do without using AI.

i'd bet 98% of the entrants are not read by a human being. it's not like they have 6 months to read like a contest does. it's an accelerated program. you have a couple weeks to complete your application and i think it was 4 weeks for them to select their 17 - 20 candidates. so they narrow the selection down considerably FIRST to a manageable number of entrants and THOSE are the ones that get read. i can't see any other way around it.

kudos to those that get selected. it's a lot of work for what basically amounts to less than 1% (0.18%) to get selected.
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their goal isn't to evaluate the quality of the writing, but use a set of "keys" that help them identify diverse writers who have faced and overcome personal and/or professional challenges.

with a few answers to questions you can determine quality for the most part: are you repped? have you been repped? have you won any contests? or awards? do they write in another field? all of these answers help them narrow the field.

they're not looking for the next VG necessarily or even the best writers, they're looking for diverse voices with the best stories. the accelerator program will help them craft their project to the professional level. most are already at the pro level in their professions/writing field.

if you look at the submissions alone, there is NO WAY they have the man power to have "eyes on." they have to narrow the selections down. there's no way around it.

with 11,000 entrants that means they'd have to read 392 scripts and applications EVERY DAY for 28 days, they don't have 300 people reading for them. and no one can read that much material for a straight 28 days. it's logistically impossible to do without using AI.

i'd bet 98% of the entrants are not read by a human being. it's not like they have 6 months to read like a contest does. it's an accelerated program. you have a couple weeks to complete your application and i think it was 4 weeks for them to select their 17 - 20 candidates. so they narrow the selection down considerably FIRST to a manageable number of entrants and THOSE are the ones that get read. i can't see any other way around it.

kudos to those that get selected. it's a lot of work for what basically amounts to less than 1% (0.18%) to get selected.

Very interesting. Wow, it's up to 11,000 applicants? I remember reading on this forum that for the first one, it was 4,000. I haven't filled out one of those applications, but for anyone who has, do they have a question about listing high contest placements? I wonder if that helps.

If they are looking for semi-professionals, they can already reach out to them directly without the program. Most of those people have agents or are already listed with contest directors. I had assumed they were looking for the hidden Mickey Fischers and Vince Gilligans (unknowns that were discovered through contests).
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Very interesting. Wow, it's up to 11,000 applicants? I remember reading on this forum that for the first one, it was 4,000. I haven't filled out one of those applications, but for anyone who has, do they have a question about listing high contest placements? I wonder if that helps.

If they are looking for semi-professionals, they can already reach out to them directly without the program. Most of those people have agents or are already listed with contest directors. I had assumed they were looking for the hidden Mickey Fischers and Vince Gilligans (unknowns that were discovered through contests).
the difference is that they don't have to search individuals, they search with a pool of 11,000 applicants and with AI that learns, well it's prolly pretty dynamic.

they ask right up front if you're repped by a manager, agent, if you're in the WGA.

there are a list of 70 questions. it's intense. it takes a lot of time and it's difficult because it's not a downloadable file and it's not the easiest to navigate.

it's going to be a combinations of elements that get you selected. the questions are very targeted.

Like this question, for example:

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Old 11-18-2019, 10:06 PM   #9
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Friday -- I thought about that, the fact they can just reach out and create a lab using people they find through their contacts.

Unfortunately, I've become really cynical since 2016 and it occurred to me that the open application thing with this lab may be mostly a sham. Imagine (hahaha) you want people to know about your lab, publicize your lab, talk about your lab, want to get into your lab, etc.

What's the cheapest way of advertising it?

Have a "free" open application period. Let people talk it up on Twitter and Reddit, like they actually have a chance. Meanwhile, you've already got an idea of who you want for your lab and you make it seem totally based on merit by picking a couple candidates from the slush.

And I don't think they're using real AI. Many types of AI require a large training corpus to train a statistical engine. That would require reading at least the first bunch of applications and tagging them with a bunch of categories. It's really time consuming. No, I think they're probably using rule-based processing, which is just a fancy name for 'text searching.'

I've almost submitted twice, but at the last minute I held back because I didn't think my application was strong enough, or my video.
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That's an interesting take, lostfootage, depressing, but very interesting.
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