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Old 12-21-2010, 06:22 PM   #31
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Default Re: When your agent doesn’t like your script…

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Writr, I must say, for someone I don't recognize around here I'm impressed with your listening skills. By now a new poster would have been firing back his retorts because he knew coming in what he wanted and really didn't want opinions at all. You on the other hand, are being very open to suggestion and might I add, learning from others.

Take note, newbs, THIS is how you take advantage of the forums.

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Old 12-21-2010, 06:37 PM   #32
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But we've all had experiences where one pro likes what we did, and another doesn't. A lot of writers get repped off a script that numerous other reps read and passed on. A production company buys a script that other companies passed on. Studios buy scripts in turnaround from other studios that lost interest in the property. Studios spend millions of dollars making movies that some love and others hate. So at some point, it's all subjective, and just because someone's an agent doesn't mean he has the last word or that his opinion can't be faulty.

So I think it's a tough call. Hopefully you will get some extensive feedback from your agent that helps you understand his objections. If you get favorable opinions from other writers or a script consultant, and remain convinced that your script deserves to be out there, then I think you'll be facing a tough decision.

I think going with your gut can be a good thing as well. I know at least of one story here on DD where a writer had a rep who wouldn't take out the script, he dumped the rep, signed with another and sold the script a week later.

I know I'm going to get hell for this, but ultimately I believe the only people who have our best interest in mind one hundred percent are ourselves. Everybody else just wants a piece

Not that the two are mutually exclusive, most times they're not, most times, client happy = agent happy. I just hate to see people give up on projects that mean a lot to them just because other people told them to. I think there are some things that you have to find out for yourself.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:09 PM   #33
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Rantaplan, He never implied he was going to give up on it, nor did anyone suggest that. Also, no one disagrees that we can only count on ourselves and I question anyone who doesn't inherently follow that mantra. I think you're missing the point of the stronger suggestions in here.

The idea, which I think the poster is leaning towards is stepping back, taking a breath and discussing it with his agent after the holidays, to get a better grasp of what the agent finds wrong with the script. Then, if the OP finds those concerns valid he'll address them. If he doesn't, he can make a decision being fully aware of where his agent stands.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:16 PM   #34
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Rantaplan, He never implied he was going to give up on it, nor did anyone suggest that. Also, no one disagrees that we can only count on ourselves and I question anyone who doesn't inherently follow that mantra. I think you're missing the point of the stronger suggestions in here.

The idea, which I think the poster is leaning towards is stepping back, taking a breath and discussing it with his agent after the holidays, to get a better grasp of what the agent finds wrong with the script. Then, if the OP finds those concerns valid he'll address them. If he doesn't, he can make a decision being fully aware of where his agent stands.
No, I agreed that he should get extensive feedback from his rep first. Then I suggested getting outside opinions, and only then making a decision

I did get a feeling that there was blind acceptance in this thread of anything a rep said, so if that is not the case I bow in humble and sincere apology.
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:16 PM   #35
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Like others have said, look at this script objectively -- if your agent doesn't want to send it out, he could be doing you a favor. On the other hand...
I think looking this script objectively is something I’m going to have to try for. As I said, I’m somewhat emotional attached to it and the plight of the characters because I’ve used a bit of my own life in their story and obviously have a biased viewpoint. So hopefully after I talk further with my agent I can see his viewpoint and see things with less of a bias.

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...if you truly believe in the script, try to get it set up yourself. My manager didn't warm to one of my horror scripts, so I got it to a horror director that I really respect...and he signed on. Now, the director's manager is making the rounds with the script, scored a bunch of meetings, etc. Still in circulation, so we'll see if it has a happy ending. And my manager had no problems with me doing this –
I’d really like to try and set it up myself because I’m one that enjoys to do all the legwork and be in charge, but the Catch-22 is that no one will read your script unless you submit through a rep.

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-- after all, why should he? If it gets set up, he still gets paid for not having to do anything on this particular script! And I absolutely trust my manager's opinions -- he's very knowledgeable with the market and story sense/development. BUT, anybody can misjudge a script's potential at some point.
Yeah, it’s certainly possible that the script could be well-received by others. We all have unique tastes in stories and films.

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Writr, I must say, for someone I don't recognize around here I'm impressed with your listening skills. By now a new poster would have been firing back his retorts because he knew coming in what he wanted and really didn't want opinions at all. You on the other hand, are being very open to suggestion and might I add, learning from others.

Take note, newbs, THIS is how you take advantage of the forums.

Bravo.
Thanks so much! Well I feel that all those are taking the time to post, I should at least have the courtesy to read each posting and reply when something makes me think or to answer a question. Glad I’m not wasting anyone’s time.

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But we've all had experiences where one pro likes what we did, and another doesn't. A lot of writers get repped off a script that numerous other reps read and passed on. A production company buys a script that other companies passed on. Studios buy scripts in turnaround from other studios that lost interest in the property. Studios spend millions of dollars making movies that some love and others hate. So at some point, it's all subjective, and just because someone's an agent doesn't mean he has the last word or that his opinion can't be faulty.

So I think it's a tough call. Hopefully you will get some extensive feedback from your agent that helps you understand his objections. If you get favorable opinions from other writers or a script consultant, and remain convinced that your script deserves to be out there, then I think you'll be facing a tough decision.

I think going with your gut can be a good thing as well. I know at least of one story here on DD where a writer had a rep who wouldn't take out the script, he dumped the rep, signed with another and sold the script a week later.

I know I'm going to get hell for this, but ultimately I believe the only people who have our best interest in mind one hundred percent are ourselves. Everybody else just wants a piece

Not that the two are mutually exclusive, most times they're not, most times, client happy = agent happy. I just hate to see people give up on projects that mean a lot to them just because other people told them to. I think there are some things that you have to find out for yourself.
Thanks for the response. I’m definitely keeping in mind that writing and art is subjective and that we each have our own likes and dislikes. But then it kind of concerns me, wouldn’t it be most beneficial if my agent and I had the same tastes? It’s something interesting to think about.

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I went through a similar situation as Joe. Wish I could have read his post a few months ago. My manager guided me to a spec that didn't cut it with the agents. I also understand why the agents didn't go out with it, and I trust them. I haven't fired my manager though, because his instincts with my first spec were good. I'm going to evaluate him with the next one and go from there. Very frustrating situation to say the least. You have to remove yourself enough from the work to evaluate it from the agent's perspective. That still doesn't buffer the fact that you worked for months on something, and it's going to remain in your documents folder. Good luck with everything Writr.
Thanks! I wish you the best as well. It really is frustrating when someone doesn’t see the same vision as you do. But I guess that’s something we all have to come to terms with when we work with the art of writing.

Again, thanks to everyone who’s joined in on this thread! Really appreciate it.
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:36 PM   #36
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Not sure what level of people you're dealing with but I've been on over a hundred or so meet and greets these past few years with all different levels of execs and I can't remember ONE that said to me "your rep has to send us the script."

They're meeting with you...you're talking about your work...and they say they wanna read it....they're soliciting the script so???

Rantanplan, you got it backward -- the time to get the outside opinions from trusted readers is BEFORE you show it to your agent.

You only get one chance to make a first impression and other cliches certainly apply.
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:53 PM   #37
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Not sure what level of people you're dealing with but I've been on over a hundred or so meet and greets these past few years with all different levels of execs and I can't remember ONE that said to me "your rep has to send us the script."

They're meeting with you...you're talking about your work...and they say they wanna read it....they're soliciting the script so???
Well we haven't met in person. I pitched them through email and they wrote back requesting the script but through an agent because of their policies regarding unsolicited scripts. Even though they are technically soliciting the script now . I'm dealing with directors of development, so not the top of the food chain.
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Old 12-21-2010, 11:07 PM   #38
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Rantanplan, you got it backward -- the time to get the outside opinions from trusted readers is BEFORE you show it to your agent.
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Well thanks for singling me out but I was only repeating what others already said, which is to get other opinions

Either way, in his case it's too late for the BEFORE, because he's already shown it to his agent. And the agent isn't sold on it. But he believes in it, and apparently a number of industry people are intrigued by the concept and anxious to read the script, so it might in fact behoove him to get objective feedback from other sources in order to sort it out.

Anyway, the notion of reps and clients disagreeing on material is an interesting one, and clearly people here have had different experiences with that.
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Old 12-21-2010, 11:20 PM   #39
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Well we haven't met in person. I pitched them through email and they wrote back requesting the script but through an agent because of their policies regarding unsolicited scripts. Even though they are technically soliciting the script now . I'm dealing with directors of development, so not the top of the food chain.
Be careful how enthusiastically you take that though. "Send it through your agent" is a standard response companies give to weed out the unprepped writers. I know I've gotten it before.

Not trying to burst your bubble - just saying, don't pin all your faith in these requests unless you're sure they're real requests, because much of the time if a producer REALLY wants to read your script they don't give a crap who sends it.

That said, I don't have a lot of experience with the big studios - just the little guys. Maybe with the big guys it's different.
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Old 12-21-2010, 11:42 PM   #40
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Be careful how enthusiastically you take that though. "Send it through your agent" is a standard response companies give to weed out the unprepped writers. I know I've gotten it before.

Not trying to burst your bubble - just saying, don't pin all your faith in these requests unless you're sure they're real requests, because much of the time if a producer REALLY wants to read your script they don't give a crap who sends it.

That said, I don't have a lot of experience with the big studios - just the little guys. Maybe with the big guys it's different.
It's not always easy to tell. I once talked a production company into letting me send the script without a rep, and their response was, OK, but just please make sure to include this whole correspondence so we have proof of how the script came to us.

That made me understand where they're coming from a bit more. I think that if someone is not interested, they'll give you the typical brush-off (well aside from deleting without reading, or reading and not responding). If they say "submit through your rep," I think they might actually be interested, they just need that legal protection. I actually once had someone from Plan B CALL me to tell me I could submit through an entertainment attorney.

I also think it's totally up to the individual. I have a script in at two pretty big production companies right now, one sent a release form, the other didn't. So you never know. Same with big agencies. You can send 50 queries to agents, and maybe you'll get the note from the legal department only once.
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