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Old 07-08-2013, 04:17 PM   #11
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Default Re: Major Prodco Exec requested script but neeed agent or manager

Hi All, I'll try to remain brief here. Thanks for the feedback and discussion.

I hear both sides of the story here. However, I didn't really want to post this publicly because I know there will be those that jeer,poke fun, and belittle but that's on them if they choose to do that.

This was more than just a brief encounter, or an off the cuff 3 minute conversation that took place and he said 'ohh, uhh, yea, but have an agent submit it, good luck" and then walked out of the elevator or paid his dinner check. That is NOT what's going on here.

So, I want to be clear about that.

It's unprofessional, tacky, and serious rookie style to pitch someone in a fun, non business related environment like a wedding weekend. In fact, you would do more harm than good if you did that, at least I know I wouldn't like it, people used to give me their cd's, bios, marketing packets all the time when I was out. You know where they went? exactly. At least let's get to know each other a bit first before we start talking shop and business.Build some rapport, which can happen quickly if the chemistry is right, you know it when it happens. Isn't that was Hollywood is built on anyway? relationships?

So based on some of the feedback here (which I greatly appreciate and respect) this guy is supposed to say


"great, what a fun weekend, glad we met, I'd love to read your script, send it over when I get back to LA"

Then what??? He reads it and likes it? he's then to do what?? go to his boss, who is THEE boss and say,

"I met a writer in NYC a few weeks ago, she sent their script to my personal email, I read it and I think it's really good and has serious marketing potential and a great story and characters".

Boss "ohhhkay, so do they have an agent or manager or did they sign any agreement or anything at all?"

Nope. I broke protocol and strict company policy and had them send it to me and I read it.

I just don't see someone jeopardizing their position, or relationship with their employer by doing that. Of course if the person is THEE BOSS, protocol and rules don't matter, but he's not. yet.

I know I would want my ducks in a row if there was strict policy about reading scripts submitted to me, an agent and officer of the company.

Now, IF there is NOT such a strict company policy and protocol, and they encourage their staff to read scripts any and everywhere they can, that's different. I don't think that is the case here.

I think it also looks better and is more professional that we have a manager or agent, especially should this guy want to go to bat with it and try to make something happen. No manager, no agent, no nothing. Then what?

Sure, hypothetically, if this guy REALLLLY wanted to read it, of course, he could. Or he could refer us to a manager or agent to get it submitted. But he doesn't have time for all that, I don't blame him. I've been there. Get an agent, get a manager, follow the procedure and policy so ALL ducks are in a row legally, and we take it from there and are at least off to the races heading down the right road following the rules and procedure.

that is how I see it. Now I just need representation. My partner is a seasoned, optioned and produced writer living and working in NYC. Which is exactly why I chose her to co-write this with me.

okay, I rambled enough, so much for being brief.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:58 PM   #12
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Hi All, I'll try to remain brief here. Thanks for the feedback and discussion.

I hear both sides of the story here. However, I didn't really want to post this publicly because I know there will be those that jeer,poke fun, and belittle but that's on them if they choose to do that.

This was more than just a brief encounter, or an off the cuff 3 minute conversation that took place and he said 'ohh, uhh, yea, but have an agent submit it, good luck" and then walked out of the elevator or paid his dinner check. That is NOT what's going on here.

So, I want to be clear about that.

It's unprofessional, tacky, and serious rookie style to pitch someone in a fun, non business related environment like a wedding weekend. In fact, you would do more harm than good if you did that, at least I know I wouldn't like it, people used to give me their cd's, bios, marketing packets all the time when I was out. You know where they went? exactly. At least let's get to know each other a bit first before we start talking shop and business.Build some rapport, which can happen quickly if the chemistry is right, you know it when it happens. Isn't that was Hollywood is built on anyway? relationships?

So based on some of the feedback here (which I greatly appreciate and respect) this guy is supposed to say


"great, what a fun weekend, glad we met, I'd love to read your script, send it over when I get back to LA"

Then what??? He reads it and likes it? he's then to do what?? go to his boss, who is THEE boss and say,

"I met a writer in NYC a few weeks ago, she sent their script to my personal email, I read it and I think it's really good and has serious marketing potential and a great story and characters".

Boss "ohhhkay, so do they have an agent or manager or did they sign any agreement or anything at all?"

Nope. I broke protocol and strict company policy and had them send it to me and I read it.

I just don't see someone jeopardizing their position, or relationship with their employer by doing that. Of course if the person is THEE BOSS, protocol and rules don't matter, but he's not. yet.

I know I would want my ducks in a row if there was strict policy about reading scripts submitted to me, an agent and officer of the company.

Now, IF there is NOT such a strict company policy and protocol, and they encourage their staff to read scripts any and everywhere they can, that's different. I don't think that is the case here.

I think it also looks better and is more professional that we have a manager or agent, especially should this guy want to go to bat with it and try to make something happen. No manager, no agent, no nothing. Then what?

Sure, hypothetically, if this guy REALLLLY wanted to read it, of course, he could. Or he could refer us to a manager or agent to get it submitted. But he doesn't have time for all that, I don't blame him. I've been there. Get an agent, get a manager, follow the procedure and policy so ALL ducks are in a row legally, and we take it from there and are at least off to the races heading down the right road following the rules and procedure.

that is how I see it. Now I just need representation. My partner is a seasoned, optioned and produced writer living and working in NYC. Which is exactly why I chose her to co-write this with me.

okay, I rambled enough, so much for being brief.
THEEE boss is not going to care if his exec deviated from policy. It's the execs job to find viable material the production company can sell to a studio and/or get made. The boss will evaluate whatever material with that in mind. The boss also does not want to here about whatever backstory that led to you getting the read. He doesn't care that you met at a wedding or whatever and the exec knows he doesn't have time to hear all that. If the boss reads the script and has interest he may then ask "who's the writer" and then exec can answer however he or she sees fit.

The boss is also not firing anybody because they read a script that wasn't submitted by an agent or manager. The exec knows this so he knows he wouldn't "risking his job" by reading your script. If he wanted to read your script, he could. It's as simple as that. There are release forms he could have you sign if he was concerned about some sort of liability.

I'm not sure where you're going with this to be honest. You seem to understand and process what everybody is saying for the most part. If you're expecting a production company's possible interest in reading your work to generate interest from an agent or manager I guess it's possible but it's definitely not probable in my experience. You could maybe mention it in a query and see what happens? Can't hurt. I'd think that your prospective agent or manager will primarily be looking at one thing, though -- your logline -- and they'd base their willingness to read on their feelings about that (not whatever mystery prod co is sitting out there).

Not trying to be a dick but just giving it to ya straight. PM me any questions if you want.
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:24 PM   #13
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This was more than just a brief encounter, or an off the cuff 3 minute conversation that took place and he said 'ohh, uhh, yea, but have an agent submit it, good luck" and then walked out of the elevator or paid his dinner check. That is NOT what's going on here.

So, I want to be clear about that.
I don't think anyone's accusing you of being in that situation. Most of us (I think) are responding to the exec's response, not accusing you of handling the situation unprofessionally. I wanted to make that clear because I think everyone here is trying to help you rather than accuse you of being a newbie or somehow behaving inappropriately.


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So based on some of the feedback here (which I greatly appreciate and respect) this guy is supposed to say

"great, what a fun weekend, glad we met, I'd love to read your script, send it over when I get back to LA"

Then what??? He reads it and likes it? he's then to do what?? go to his boss, who is THEE boss and say,

"I met a writer in NYC a few weeks ago, she sent their script to my personal email, I read it and I think it's really good and has serious marketing potential and a great story and characters".
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how it goes sometimes. Most execs even use their work email in that situation.


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Boss "ohhhkay, so do they have an agent or manager or did they sign any agreement or anything at all?"

Nope. I broke protocol and strict company policy and had them send it to me and I read it.
This part isn't. "Protocol" and "strict company policy" are systems in place to prevent or curtail unsolicited submissions. Believe me when I say that no one in a position of creative authority in this industry would keep his or her job for long if they refused to read a great script because it didn't follow a rigid and inflexible submission process. Maybe there's a submission release to sign along the way, but if it's a great script, that's all that matters.


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I just don't see someone jeopardizing their position, or relationship with their employer by doing that. Of course if the person is THEE BOSS, protocol and rules don't matter, but he's not. yet.

I know I would want my ducks in a row if there was strict policy about reading scripts submitted to me, an agent and officer of the company.

Now, IF there is NOT such a strict company policy and protocol, and they encourage their staff to read scripts any and everywhere they can, that's different. I don't think that is the case here.
Creative execs are lauded for finding great material, not slapped on the wrist for failing to follow a rigid submission policy. Here's the important part, though... if you're being told that there's a strict submission policy in place or that they'd love to read it but their hands are tied... it's all a polite way of saying, "I don't want to read your script." If they did want to read it, they would have asked to read it. There is no company policy anywhere in the industry that says, "If you come across a script that catches your interest, you can't read it."


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I think it also looks better and is more professional that we have a manager or agent, especially should this guy want to go to bat with it and try to make something happen. No manager, no agent, no nothing. Then what?
Having a manager or agent is irrelevant if it's a great script. People in the industry make deals with writers all the time regardless of whether they have reps, are guild members, etc. It's all about the quality of the script. If you've written a great script, it doesn't matter to them whether you pay a rep 10% or not.


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Sure, hypothetically, if this guy REALLLLY wanted to read it, of course, he could. Or he could refer us to a manager or agent to get it submitted.
Bingo.


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But he doesn't have time for all that, I don't blame him. I've been there. Get an agent, get a manager, follow the procedure and policy so ALL ducks are in a row legally, and we take it from there and are at least off to the races heading down the right road following the rules and procedure.
You had it 100% right a minute ago. If he really wanted to read it, he could. If he really wanted to refer you to someone who could submit it on your behalf, he could. But he didn't. Don't rationalize the situation by thinking he doesn't have time or it's just because he has to follow some arbitrary submission procedure. You had it right the first time. If this guy "REALLLLLY wanted to read it," he could. But he didn't ask to read it, nor did he refer you to a manager, or offer any special consideration other than "submit it just like everyone else." That's a pass.


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that is how I see it. Now I just need representation. My partner is a seasoned, optioned and produced writer living and working in NYC. Which is exactly why I chose her to co-write this with me.
Just out of curiosity... if your partner is a seasoned, optioned, produced working writer... does she have a rep that can submit it for you?


I don't want to (and hope I don't) come off as particularly harsh or combative, but I see the direction this train of thought is headed in. Believe me... I've been there on both sides of the table. Regardless of the circumstances of the meeting, the bottom line is that this guy heard your script premise and had a chance to say "send me your script." He didn't. Instead of saying, "Send me your script," he said, "Submit it through proper channels." That's a pass. You can justify it by saying it's punting, or that he's just a guy following company protocol, or that he's an exec who's probably very busy and can't read it right now... but the honest truth is that if he's not saying, "Yes, send it to me," he's saying "no." There are a million nice ways to say "no" to someone (and I've even used the 'strict policy' and 'I'm very busy right now' excuses myself on occasion)... but it's still a no.

If you truly believe this script is right for this company, then do what you have to do to submit it through "proper channels." Heck, why not try to find an actual manager or rep rather than someone who will just submit this one project for you? Just please understand that you don't have any special "in" with this executive or this company, so don't go out of your way to parse his response looking for underlying meaning. He didn't bite when he had the chance; it's as simple as that.

Best of luck to you and your partner on your writing endeavors!
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:32 PM   #14
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They would say "send it over" if they wanted to read it. In the unlikely circumstance that they were afraid of reading it, they'd send a release form, which everyone has.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:37 PM   #15
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Won't beat a dead horse, but all the other commenters are correct, this was a pass.

One piece of advice I'll add: Don't butcher the contact. Once you move to LA, get into the swing of writing, include him on your first query blitz and mention that you met way back when in New York. Any point of reference can help you.

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Old 07-08-2013, 08:01 PM   #16
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As everyone here says, it's almost certainly a pass...

BUT, if you and your partner feel in your gut that there might be more to it (and it will kill you to give up without trying), why not ask if you can have your entertainment attorney submit? This is generally acceptable in place of an agent or manager.

If they say yes, it's not hard to find an attorney to send it over. However, you have to pay said attorney.

If they say no, you'll know for sure this is a pass.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:12 PM   #17
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I think it also looks better and is more professional that we have a manager or agent, especially should this guy want to go to bat with it and try to make something happen. No manager, no agent, no nothing. Then what?
The first three times I optioned scripts to major production companies, I did it without a manager or an agent. THEY DIDN'T CARE. THEY DON'T CARE. They found something they wanted and we negotiated a deal that I didn't have to pay any agent or manager a percentage of... I did have to pay a lawyer, but that was on the backside. I managed, the way you did, to get to people via networking and pitch. And on a couple of occasions was told, "Send the script". No one asked if I even had a manager or agent.

Instead of turning yourself inside out to make this something it isn't, use it as a educational tool. Learn and move on. Like someone else said, write another script and query the guy, reminding him that you'd spoken before and see if he bites.

A great rule of thumb in trying to get read is... unless they say, "I want to read it. Send it.", it's a pass.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:14 PM   #18
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THEEE boss is not going to care if his exec deviated from policy. It's the execs job to find viable material the production company can sell to a studio and/or get made. The boss will evaluate whatever material with that in mind. The boss also does not want to here about whatever backstory that led to you getting the read. He doesn't care that you met at a wedding or whatever and the exec knows he doesn't have time to hear all that. If the boss reads the script and has interest he may then ask "who's the writer" and then exec can answer however he or she sees fit.

The boss is also not firing anybody because they read a script that wasn't submitted by an agent or manager. The exec knows this so he knows he wouldn't "risking his job" by reading your script. If he wanted to read your script, he could. It's as simple as that. There are release forms he could have you sign if he was concerned about some sort of liability.

I'm not sure where you're going with this to be honest. You seem to understand and process what everybody is saying for the most part. If you're expecting a production company's possible interest in reading your work to generate interest from an agent or manager I guess it's possible but it's definitely not probable in my experience. You could maybe mention it in a query and see what happens? Can't hurt. I'd think that your prospective agent or manager will primarily be looking at one thing, though -- your logline -- and they'd base their willingness to read on their feelings about that (not whatever mystery prod co is sitting out there).

Not trying to be a dick but just giving it to ya straight. PM me any questions if you want.
you're not being a dick, your being honest and speaking from experience. thanks.
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As everyone here says, it's almost certainly a pass...

BUT, if you and your partner feel in your gut that there might be more to it (and it will kill you to give up without trying), why not ask if you can have your entertainment attorney submit? This is generally acceptable in place of an agent or manager.

If they say yes, it's not hard to find an attorney to send it over. However, you have to pay said attorney.

If they say no, you'll know for sure this is a pass.
good idea, I think we will try this route. What it also comes down to is that I've veered away from my mission of marketing for our script, which is a lot of my responsibility in the relationship. Summer hit, my business and life took over and I took my eye off the proverbial ball. I just need to continue forward, full force in my marketing, query-ing, networking, etc. I see white house down took over 10 years, we are on year 1.5, so...we'll get there! thanks for the great feedback.
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Won't beat a dead horse, but all the other commenters are correct, this was a pass.

One piece of advice I'll add: Don't butcher the contact. Once you move to LA, get into the swing of writing, include him on your first query blitz and mention that you met way back when in New York. Any point of reference can help you.

Best of luck.
got it, not sure when and how I'm moving to LA though..LOL!
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