Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

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  • #46
    Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

    Latino Bond? They already have Bondo.

    I personally am not that invested in it possibly because I'm not a Brit. I think in the end, it would be like having a Black Santa Claus. Some will like, and some will disapprove, and some will wait and see.


    We're I writing it, I would go sixties, cold war, an origin story, about how a young Bond was first recruited. And I'd hire Tom Felton, AKA Draco Malfoy.

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    • #47
      Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

      I think we should go with the Alan Moore version of Jimmy Bond.

      HH

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      • #48
        Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

        I should not have used the word "retarded" but it helps make my point if it offended anyone.

        I have a hard time not using a bunch of words that offend people. I make an effort not to, though.

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        • #49
          Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

          Originally posted by Architeuthis Dux View Post
          We're I writing it, I would go sixties, cold war, an origin story, about how a young Bond was first recruited.
          It's weird they haven't already done that.

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          • #50
            Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

            Originally posted by Optimus View Post
            The hypocrisy of posting a somewhat pedantic speech on the virtues of using PC language because "a lot of people" don't seem to "understand the ramifications of people saying whatever they want all the time" and following that up by derisively referring to Bond characters by the totally un-PC word, "retarded," is truly priceless.
            I can tell you're the smart one!

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            • #51
              Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

              Originally posted by BattleDolphinZero View Post
              I should not have used the word "retarded" but it helps make my point if it offended anyone.

              I have a hard time not using a bunch of words that offend people. I make an effort not to, though.
              "Retarded" shouldn't be used to describe people with mental disabilities. I don't have any problem with someone using the word in the way you did.

              And I'm against PC, for the record.

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              • #52
                Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                Originally posted by haroldhecuba View Post
                This.

                By the way, "source material" is so not the reason to not cast a good actor in the lead role. Bond being white isn't exactly a must-have unless he's trying to infiltrate a white supremacist group.

                HH

                By the way, you're wrong. Maybe you should check out some casting calls put out by studios. Often times they mention specifics -- such as race -- for a reason. James Bond is an established character and brand. It's not like changing the race of a character from a spec script because Will Smith is interested. Daniel-Day Lewis is a good (great actor). That doesn't mean I'm going to cast him to play Alex Cross.

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                • #53
                  Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                  Originally posted by entlassen View Post
                  This would basically destroy the series.
                  How so?
                  If you really like it you can have the rights
                  It could make a million for you overnight

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                  • #54
                    Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                    Originally posted by Dr. Vergerus View Post
                    "Retarded" shouldn't be used to describe people with mental disabilities. I don't have any problem with someone using the word in the way you did.

                    And I'm against PC, for the record.
                    What are you, gay?

                    Oh, you said, "Pee Cee." Never mind.
                    If you really like it you can have the rights
                    It could make a million for you overnight

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                    • #55
                      Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                      Originally posted by odocoileus View Post
                      How so?
                      Seriously?

                      James Bond is an Englishman. Ian Fleming wrote him as an exagerrated caricature of himself. If you destroy the Bond character then you destroy the series.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                        Originally posted by entlassen View Post
                        Seriously?

                        James Bond is an Englishman. Ian Fleming wrote him as an exagerrated caricature of himself. If you destroy the Bond character then you destroy the series.
                        There are black people who were born and raised in England. I've seen them with my own eyes.
                        "The Hollywood film business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Hunter S Thompson

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                        • #57
                          Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                          Originally posted by entlassen View Post
                          Seriously?

                          James Bond is an Englishman. Ian Fleming wrote him as an exagerrated caricature of himself. If you destroy the Bond character then you destroy the series.
                          How does casting a non-Englishman destroy the character?
                          If you really like it you can have the rights
                          It could make a million for you overnight

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                          • #58
                            Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                            Originally posted by cshel View Post
                            There are black people who were born and raised in England. I've seen them with my own eyes.
                            um, but obviously they're ethnically African, not English. I could have been born and raised in Japan but that wouldn't make me ethnically Japanese, would it?

                            Fleming was an Anglo-Scot. His creation was likewise an Anglo-Scot, though with a Swiss mother. How would they explain a black Bond? Fleming would roll in his grave.

                            Not sure what's so complicated about this.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                              Originally posted by CthulhuRises View Post
                              By the way, you're wrong. Maybe you should check out some casting calls put out by studios. Often times they mention specifics -- such as race -- for a reason. James Bond is an established character and brand. It's not like changing the race of a character from a spec script because Will Smith is interested. Daniel-Day Lewis is a good (great actor). That doesn't mean I'm going to cast him to play Alex Cross.
                              You think they change the race of a character when Will Smith gets involved?

                              What do you think that entails? Let's take Tonight He Comes a spec that was turned into Hancock. Will Smith says "yes", you have a green light, do you think someone did a race pass?

                              No.

                              Because it didn't matter.

                              I mean, someone might cast a like-raced wife if Denzel or Will is doing a movie but that's a casting afterthought.

                              Look, no one is gonna change anyone's mind on this thread. There are people who think Bond needs to be specifically white and there are people who don't.

                              As the demographics in America change, so will our perceived value of race. If things continue the way they're going, white people will become a minority soon. After that Latinos (in like 60 years or something) will become a majority. And after that, specific Latino groups will rise in numbers. I don't know if Hollywood will still be making movies but if they are, Bond will be speaking Spanish.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Idris Elba: The First Black James Bond???

                                Originally posted by odocoileus View Post
                                How does casting a non-Englishman destroy the character?
                                Bond is not a blank slate that can be played by anyone. He's a specific character with a specific heritage and a specific worldview, and they're all Anglo in origin. And I say this as someone who's not Anglo myself.

                                Just as a character like Zatoichi is distinctly Japanese, Bond is distinctly English. It's a question of culture and heritage. If you destroy that then you destroy who the character is.

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