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Old 09-06-2017, 12:51 AM   #11
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Default Re: HBO vs. Amazon - Alt-History Dramas

Originally Posted by Darthclaw13 View Post
It starts out with white supremacists/skinheads from South Africa who time travel back to the old South during the civil war. They bring with them ak-47's, ammo, grenades, etc. as well as modern day history books.

Years ago Spielberg was going to make Guns of the South, but backed out because of the controversy of what people "think" the book is about. Most people think it's only about the south winning the war and keeping slavery, but in fact they end slavery in the book after winning.
I haven't read it but as a premise issue, time traveling skinheads loaded down with modern assault weaponry is just dumb. Alt-history isn't free license to concoct preposterous scenarios for the "wouldn't it be crazy if . . ." of it all
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:35 PM   #12
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His other series about the Civil War is much better and more realistic. The south wins it's independence. Eventually frees the slaves, but keeps them under thumb. During the Great War, the US sides with Germany. The CSA sides with England and France, however the blacks of the South are introduced to Communism and rise up causing the South to lose (the uprising is squashed). The South is humiliated and forced to pay millions to the North and reduce their military to almost nothing. A madman becomes President in the South and enacts revenge upon the blacks for the uprising (The final solution). You get the gist.

Turtledove has many Alt-history books.

The one where the Spanish Armada actually beats England and Spain invades is another good one. William Shakespeare uses his writings and plays as part of the English Resistance.
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:19 AM   #13
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So progressives are up in arms and demanding censorship? I'm sure the shows will be just another "blacks are oppressed and whites are evil" rant.

Alt history? Slavery still exists in Africa and freed slaves formed at least 2 countries I can think of, Liberia and Haiti.
Hm...I don't know that it's censorship so much as people just want it to be treated with respect. It's an aspect of US history that some people still don't. But that doesn't mean it can't be explored.

As for slavery today. It exists all over the world. Not just Africa. In every country. Even here in the US where women and children are regularly trafficked; and there are other means of exploitation.

Confederate may or may not be a bad idea. I don't know, I haven't seen it. I tend to lean toward it being a bad idea because of the fact that this country hasn't completely come to terms with some of its history. But it could be that it's treated with the greatest of respect for the travesty that it was. We'll just have to wait and see.

"wait and see," may or may not be a popular opinion, but at least then we'll know.
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