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Old 04-06-2020, 02:01 AM   #201
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Below is a link to what may be one of the more promising developments in the search for a Covid-19 vaccine. Worth noting that this is just a small first step -- they're still a couple of months away from clinical trials, and, if successful, it will take another 4-6 to scale up. As many researchers have already said, don't expect a vaccine for at least a year or so, at the earliest. However some anti-virals -- drugs like remdesivir, for those already afflicted with the disease -- may become available sooner.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/5112675002/

Cool. Thanks. I read somewhere that in order to fast track the cure, a lot of them are skipping certain steps they normally take just because of this dire situation.
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Old 04-07-2020, 03:48 PM   #202
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Cool. Thanks. I read somewhere that in order to fast track the cure, a lot of them are skipping certain steps they normally take just because of this dire situation.
I just want to mention something, and maybe you realize this...

But vaccines aren't really cures. They work by allowing your body to develop immunities against the disease so that when you are exposed to the disease after you've been immunized your body can fight off the infection.

Even if you are vaccinated shortly after contracting the disease and you get immunized immediately you may/can still get the disease because your body has not had time to develop "enough" antibodies to fight off the infection.

There is also the added chance that you will have to be continually vaccinated, because they don't know how long the vaccine will last. They also don't know yet if you can get reinfected. They hope that you are immune for a while, but they don't know how long the "while" is.

That's why it's so imperative that they develop a therapy for the disease at the same time because 1) it's going to be a WHILE before a vaccine is approved and 2) the vaccine will be in short supply for a while. I mean, think about it, every human on the planet will want to be immunized.

That means poor countries will not be first in line, which could threaten some industries.

The physical distancing is important because that (in combination with a vaccine) is how you eradicate a disease. As soon as there is a new infection discovered after this outbreak is under control, they will contact trace every single exposure and quarantine every single person until 1) they are no long infectious and/or 2) no longer test positive for the disease. When every one of the person's who were traced back to "patient zero" for that outbreak they burn out the disease.

That's why testing is going to be the next big step. They might have to use large areas to quarantine people to stop the spreads in the beginning of a new outbreak. We couldn't do that this time out in the US because we had a dipsh!t telling everyone it was going to disappear within days. It spread too fast to be able to do contact tracing and all we could do is mitigate.

So even after we restart society we have to go slow and we have to still be very careful. All the treatment/therapy measures will be important in helping the infected boost their own immune system to be better at fighting off the disease.

I'm not a doctor, so anyone feel free to correct me, but I think this is the situation. We won't be out of the woods for a while. And, the truth is, we (society) will never be the same.

I think by maybe June productions might get back on track, but I think there might be a change in WHERE films are made because some areas where it might have been financially advantageous to film, might become too risky from an insurance point of view. I don't know really, I'm just guessing how it might roll out.

Imagine insurance dictating where you shoot your film.

Any thoughts?
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Old 04-07-2020, 04:18 PM   #203
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I just want to mention something, and maybe you realize this...

Vaccines aren't cures. They work by allowing your body to develop immunities against the disease so that when you are exposed to the disease after you've been immunized your body can fight off the infection.

If you contract a disease and then get immunized you still can get the disease.

Even if you are vaccinated shortly after contracting the disease and you get immunized immediately you may still get the disease because your body has not had time to develop "enough" antibodies to fight off the infection.

That's why it's so imperative that they develop a therapy for the disease at the same time because 1) it's going to be a WHILE before a vaccine is approved and 2) the vaccine will be in short supply for a while. I mean, think about it, every human on the planet will want to be immunized.

That means poor countries will not be first in line, which could threaten some industries.

The physical distancing is important because that (in combination with a vaccine) is how you eradicate a disease. As soon as there is a new infection discovered after this outbreak is under control, they will contact trace every single exposure and quarantine every single person until 1) they are no long infectious and/or 2) no longer test positive for the disease. When every one of the person's who were traced back to "patient zero" for that outbreak they burn out the disease.

That's why testing is going to be the next big step. They might have to use large areas to quarantine people to stop the spreads in the beginning of a new outbreak. We couldn't do that this time out in the US because we had a dipsh!t telling everyone it was going to disappear within days. It spread too fast to be able to do contact tracing and all we could do is mitigate.

So even after we restart society we have to go slow and we have to still be very careful. All the treatment/therapy measures will be important in helping the infected boost their own immune system to be better at fighting off the disease.

I'm not a doctor, so anyone feel free to correct me, but I think this is the situation. We won't be out of the woods for a while. And, the truth is, we (society) will never be the same.

I think by maybe June productions might get back on track, but I think there might be a change in WHERE films are made because some areas where it might have been financially advantageous to film, might become too risky from an insurance point of view. I don't know really, I'm just guessing how it might roll out.

Imagine insurance dictating where you shoot your film.

Any thoughts?

I just want it to go back to the way it was in December. You could enjoy a nice movie. Have conversations without it being a fearful event. The only thing we don't have is time. If this goes on longer, businesses will be lost, entire industries might not be able to recover, some people might lose their entire savings.

When I look at what South Korea did and what we did, I feel very upset. Why oh why, did we allow freedom of travel from these hot spots in January when there were detailed reports saying that US could be the next hot zone if they didn't start limiting travel from these areas. At least restrict travel, make sure people are checked and have them quarantined for 21 days (yes, I think it's longer than 14) before travelers can roam around spreading this like a wildfire. None of the tests were ready. No infrastructure of keeping track of everyone. To this day, there's still no national policies on people being outside. It's still up to the Governors and many Governors have stubbornly refused to clamp down. South Korea's technology and equipment seems far ahead of the US. Their gear looks like something out of sci fi, far more advanced than the face cloths I see our doctors wear. Theirs wear full on hazmat suits and they have plenty of isolation chambers to keep the disease isolated.

Even if a production is done, it might be in a much more limited capacity. A lot of the cool locations will not be used and those large scale crowd scenes will be scrapped.

By the way, I heard on the news that they're urging people in LA not even to go to grocery stores. I am wondering if you guys have been out to a grocery store this week? I think people were scrambling to get their last shopping done before that.
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Old 04-07-2020, 06:17 PM   #204
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By the way, I heard on the news that they're urging people in LA not even to go to grocery stores. I am wondering if you guys have been out to a grocery store this week? I think people were scrambling to get their last shopping done before that.
I went to the grocery store and the pharmacy today. Not a ton of people out. No lines outside, so I think most to many are being very smart about it. And folks for the most part were wearing masks and remaining careful. It is going on, but quiet out there for sure.

It's not a stay at home order, of course. I don't think it will come down to that. The urging is helping though, but people still do need to get certain things as I and others did this afternoon, and surely will this weekend. Just masks and lots of hand washing.
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Old 04-07-2020, 06:30 PM   #205
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I went to the grocery store and the pharmacy today. Not a ton of people out. No lines outside, so I think most to many are being very smart about it. And folks for the most part were wearing masks and remaining careful. It is going on, but quiet out there for sure.

It's not a stay at home order, of course. I don't think it will come down to that. The urging is helping though, but people still do need to get certain things as I and others did this afternoon, and surely will this weekend. Just masks and lots of hand washing.

I think a lot of people are confused by the urging issued by leaders. They are not sure if it's an order, etc. Some cities like Riverside have made an order about wearing face masks, hinting at possible fines, but right now just trying to educate people. I actually would be out if it weren't for the guilt thing about risking loved ones or even people I don't know. The news of how healthy asymptomatic people can cause the spread and be responsible for other people getting sick got me to stay home. I can't really remember the last time I got a cold and I never really needed a flu shot...but all the news has effectively made me stay home.

Are they still out of toilet paper? I'd kill right now to have a nice iced diet coke watching a movie in Dolby with some fried chicken and ice cream. Those were the days.
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By the way, how is all this social distancing effecting L.A.? Is it helping slow things down? I feel like that Cloverfeld movie where I have no idea what's happening outside....only anecdotal things from people telling me.
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Are they still out of toilet paper? I'd kill right now to have a nice iced diet coke watching a movie in Dolby with some fried chicken and ice cream. Those were the days.
So easy to get all of that. Put on a little mask. Don't touch your face while out. Use the wipes at the store they give you to wipe hands and car.

About the only they really like in certain stores is TP, paper towels, and napkins. I bought four liters of DC today and didn't blink and eye. Super easy. Lots of it. Lots of ice cream too. Didn't look in the deli area but they probably had fried chicken. If not, there is GrubHub, DoorDash and/or Postmates. I don't think there is any type of good you can't get on those. Ordering from one of those tonight.

And the social distancing has been fine for me, at least. Maybe others have trouble. But I have yet to see a problem. Sometimes there is a line. Goes pretty quickly. Other times, like today and others, I waltzed right in. Done in maybe ten minutes or so.

Wear a mask. It's the safer way to go. Make it if you have to. But do something if you can, I'd suggest.
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By the way, how is all this social distancing effecting L.A.? Is it helping slow things down? I feel like that Cloverfeld movie where I have no idea what's happening outside....only anecdotal things from people telling me.
*affecting*

People still go out, walk with pets or in pairs, take kids for walks or bike rides, being sure to stay distant from other.

We go to the store, though you have to wait in line. Many things out of stock.

Most restaurants have super efficient take-out with no contact. Drug stores have set up barriers for the cashiers. Masks and gloves are abundant.

Roads are as clear as I've seen them. Air quality is the best it's been since the 1960s, apparently.

Whether it's slowing the spread won't be known for a few weeks or even months. LA is fortunate to have drastically decreased pop. density, so we'll likely never experience what NYC is going through.

Been seeing photos of pristine beaches, empty 405. Polar bears, roaming the streets of La Canada.

Maybe human civilization wasn't the best thing to happen.
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Old 04-07-2020, 07:47 PM   #209
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So easy to get all of that. Put on a little mask. Don't touch your face while out. Use the wipes at the store they give you to wipe hands and car.

About the only they really like in certain stores is TP, paper towels, and napkins. I bought four liters of DC today and didn't blink and eye. Super easy. Lots of it. Lots of ice cream too. Didn't look in the deli area but they probably had fried chicken. If not, there is GrubHub, DoorDash and/or Postmates. I don't think there is any type of good you can't get on those. Ordering from one of those tonight.

And the social distancing has been fine for me, at least. Maybe others have trouble. But I have yet to see a problem. Sometimes there is a line. Goes pretty quickly. Other times, like today and others, I waltzed right in. Done in maybe ten minutes or so.

Wear a mask. It's the safer way to go. Make it if you have to. But do something if you can, I'd suggest.

Oh, I meant doing that in a Dolby movie theater like in the old days five months ago. I haven't been to a supermarket in weeks.

Just curious, how many of you are ordering from restaurants? I probably used to eat out 5 times a week... I wonder how restaurants are dealing right now.
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Old 04-08-2020, 05:31 AM   #210
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I haven't been to a supermarket in weeks.
Friday go outside!! Go for a walk. A long one. You could also go through a drive-thru and get something to eat. If you need something at the grocery store, go get it. If you sit and watch the news all day it's all pretty bleak. If you sit and wonder all day what's happening your imagination gets the best of you.

Seriously. Go for a walk. Wear a mask or bandana over your face, but go.
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