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    People can read Nietzsche in any order. What's more important is
    understanding
    the philosophies of Kant and Schopenhauer--in some ways Wagner
    too.

    As a
    screenwriter, The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music
    would be an
    excellent starting point. He was a philologist after all.


    BUT, if I were
    to recommend someone starting with Nietzsche, I'd say
    start with Beyond Good and
    Evil. Then the Genealogy of Morality, which
    is his most important book, imo and
    many others. Then go backwards to the
    Gay Science. I know it's subjective, but
    from a philosophical perspective,
    this is how I view it. You could start off
    with the Gay Science, but then I
    would jump directly to Beyond Good and Evil.

    Honestly, you can't lose
    anyway you look at it. You're reading Nietzsche for crying out loud.
    Yes, this. I'm fluent in German and have read many of these works in the original (Beyond Good and Evil being my favorite). There's probably been no philospher more misunderstood or misquoted than Nietzsche. Much of this is thanks to his racist sister, along with the National Socialists who took his writings to a twisted extreme with their complete lack of comprehension. Zen Plato (above quote?) is correct that Nietzsche's philosophy needs to be seen as a direct progression from (and response to) Kant and Schopenhauer. And ironically -- considering how it was misinterpreted -- Nietzsche's Ubermensch was a paragon of diversity. I don't remember the exact quote, but he was supposed to have the physical mass of a Russian, the grace of an Italian gondelier, and the mind of a Jew. Heh.

    Um, how did a discussion of "Identity Thief" lead to a discussion of German philosophy?

    Late Night Writer

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      From IDENTITY THIEF to Nietzsche in the same thread. Gotta love this board.

      As far as the critics...I review movies. Basically so I can see the movies I want to see for free. And get paid. So from my perspective, here's the thing about bad reviews... sometimes there's movies that serve as lightning rods for critics. Movies from genres that a critic can just unleash on with no real expectation of blowback.

      And since some — if not most — reviewers are frustrated screenwriters or directors, they're just aching to give something both barrels. It's kind of cathartic in that it allows them to review most other movies in a less than antagonistic headspace.

      But the main thing to keep in mind is that the movies they choose to gang up and unload on are essentially bulletproof. The target demographic could care less what a critic has to say. So generally, the pile-on reviews are irrelevant. Just a lot of frustrated writers indulging in an easy target.
      "Forget it, Jake. It's Hollywood."

      My YouTube channel.

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        Film critics suck at the best of times. I've never agreed with a lot of them. Sometimes. But very rarely. Some of them seem to revel in tearing other people down for the sake of it.

        Yeah, they suck.
        @TerranceMulloy

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        • Re: Identity Thief

          Originally posted by jboffer View Post
          Hey Craig, quick question if you have a chance.

          During the last podcast, you mentioned how "the audience we set out to make the movie for showed up in droves."

          Were you simply referencing one or more of the "four quadrants," or something more specific?

          I'll be seeing the film this Friday for sure, and while I bet I'm part of the target market, I'm curious who exactly the studio considered the audience. Thanks!
          I can't speak for the studio... just for me and Seth. Adults, with an emphasis on women, and middle Americans, although lots of city folks are digging it too.

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            Originally posted by Terrance Mulloy View Post
            Film critics suck at the best of times. I've never agreed with a lot of them. Sometimes. But very rarely. Some of them seem to revel in tearing other people down for the sake of it.

            Yeah, they suck.
            Well, they are just one person's opinion. I read some critics just because it's fun to peek into someone else's skull. Kind of a weekly Rorschach test in prose. To see how they describe the mutual experience. Say, Armand White is a hoot, pop culture trolling taken to an art form.
            "Forget it, Jake. It's Hollywood."

            My YouTube channel.

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            • Re: Identity Thiefy

              Originally posted by Craig Mazin View Post
              FinalAct:

              Thanks!

              Also, it's JASON Bateman, not Justin. You're thinking of Justine Bateman, his sister. As Jason puts it, "I get "Justin Bateman" about fourteen times a day."
              ****, can't believe I did that... of course it's Jason. He also looks like my friend Justin-- a slip perhaps? Double whammy.

              My Bad.

              Been listening to your podcast with John August. Really good. Learning a lot.

              All good things.
              FA4
              "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy b/c you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -- Edward Snowden

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                Originally posted by SundownInRetreat View Post
                Brouhaha.
                Note to self.
                "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy b/c you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -- Edward Snowden

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                • Re: Identity Thief

                  This is a bit off topic, but in the absence of a dedicated ScriptNotes thread, and since the topic of older comedy films came up in a different discussion, I'd like to encourage the ScriptNotes team to consider realizing a possibility that Mr. Mazin floated during a recent broadcast:

                  A whole podcast devoted to the film Clueless.

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                  • Re: Identity Thief

                    Originally posted by entlassen View Post
                    ...No one aside from the filmmakers themselves knows how many times a movie has been re-written, and by who.
                    True. But that'll never stop a lot of critics from calling out the script. They'll never know how many scenes were cut or moved in the editing process, rendering some storylines incomplete. They'll never know if performance or running time necessitated some tough changes. They COULD know. But that would take some work.

                    It's easier and faster to just blame the script. And the worst part, as a writer, there's no way to defend your work to the people who unfairly disparage it.

                    All I ask is for movie reviewers to review the movie. If they want to review the script (even the shooting script) with the movie for comparison sake, that would be awesome, too.
                    @StarrburyMike

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                    • Re: Identity Thief

                      I finally read the transcript of the podcast.

                      I don't know how to say this without sounding obnoxiously flippant, but it's sad that Craig had the number #1 movie for the weekend, but he apparently spent days curled up in a ball with a copy of The Gay Science all because a handful of critics (including the star of Myra Breckinridge) posted negative reviews. For God's sake, go party with Charlie Sheen or something. Be happy.

                      As someone who has occasionally chatted with a few Rotten Tomatoes critics, I don't get the impression that they're mediums who channel the Cosmic Wisdom of the Universe. They're just schmucks with laptops (to modify an ancient insult).

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                        According to Deadline, looks like IDENTITY THIEF will be #1 again this weekend.

                        Way to go, Craig!

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                          Originally posted by MrZero View Post
                          I finally read the transcript of the podcast.

                          I don't know how to say this without sounding obnoxiously flippant, but it's sad that Craig had the number #1 movie for the weekend, but he apparently spent days curled up in a ball with a copy of The Gay Science all because a handful of critics (including the star of Myra Breckinridge) posted negative reviews. For God's sake, go party with Charlie Sheen or something. Be happy.

                          As someone who has occasionally chatted with a few Rotten Tomatoes critics, I don't get the impression that they're mediums who channel the Cosmic Wisdom of the Universe. They're just schmucks with laptops (to modify an ancient insult).
                          I understand it. It was more than a few critics. And Rex Reed should be drawn and quartered for his remarks. He's not a blogging with a laptop in his jammies.

                          Well, he might be.

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                            Wow. Back to #1!

                            http://www.deadline.com/2013/02/frid...oscar-weekend/

                            That's staying power from word of mouth.
                            "I talked to a couple of yes men at Metro. To me they said no."


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                              Originally posted by MrZero View Post
                              I finally read the transcript of the podcast.

                              I don't know how to say this without sounding obnoxiously flippant, but
                              That. That, right there. That's your cue to channel Thumper's mama from Bambi if you can't find something constructive to add. Goodness gracious.
                              "You have idea 1, you're excited. It flops. You have idea 99, you're excited. It flops.
                              Only a fool is excited by the 100th idea. Fools keep trying. God rewards fools." --Martin Hellman, paraphrased

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                              • Re: Identity Thief

                                Originally posted by Terrance Mulloy View Post
                                Film critics suck at the best of times. I've never agreed with a lot of them. Sometimes. But very rarely. Some of them seem to revel in tearing other people down for the sake of it.

                                Yeah, they suck.
                                This whole "critics suck" mentality is just as childish as some of those critics that find pleasure in ripping movies apart. Does that mean that all of the films that get universal acclaim suck as well? Because I sure liked Argo and Silver Linings and Zero Dark Thirty and Django and about half a dozen other movies that come at 80% or higher on Rotten Tomatoes.

                                Or does that just apply to movies that get negative reviews? Do critics suck only when they don't like something? Because I don't remember too many people rushing to the defense of Battleship or Transformers 2 or Green Lantern.

                                I enjoy listening to Craig on the podcast and he seems like a really great guy but does that mean he can't be partially responsible for a bad movie? Sometimes negative reviews are not results of hidden agendas or hate towards filmmakers (and John August claiming that the movie would get better reviews if you switched some names in the end credits sounded like a defense mechanism to me).

                                A scene from one of the episodes of Entourage comes to mind, where Johnny Drama, after getting destroyed by a critic who gave him bad reviews in the past, rushes to his office and asks the guy "why do you hate me so much?" and the critic simply answers "I call 'em like I see 'em Johnny... I just don't think you're very good".

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