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  • Re: Rain Management Group and Artist International

    I wonder how much of this was actually my fault.

    A little over a year ago, as a test, I sent out some query letters and in them mentioned that the script received good coverage from Andrew. One of the agents at Rain said they knew Andrew and so requested to read the script. That's the first time I ever got a read request from them.
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    • Re: Rain Management Group and Artist International

      I think I can take idiocy to an all new level.
      First of all, when I was a reader, the odds of finding an
      editable script were about 2/250 which meant I had to
      read all of the bottom of the pile to find one possible
      script. The odds of finding a ready to wear script were
      1/500. They were so rare that when one was found,
      the whole office jumped on it. The odds haven't gotten
      better. They are worse. I remember getting banker
      boxes full of old unread scripts from a senior agent who
      gave me the opportunity to read them.
      After a while I developed a relationship with a script
      doctor and would send the 2/250 to him in hopes of
      repairing the scripts. We appeared together at symposiums,
      writers groups etc to try to find good writers. Every
      writer believes their work is ready to go when obviously
      248 weren't.
      I didn't pay the SD anything and he didn't pay me anything.
      We both had the same goal. Find a good script.
      I consider script doctors one weapon in a writer's
      arsenal.
      I use them when I am so locked into a script I can't
      see problems.
      My thought is this.
      VirtualScriptFest which is a service to put writers pitches
      in front of producers, execs and studios at, I think,
      $20 a pop. If you call one of their clients they will say
      you have to go through VPF to pitch to them.
      There are studios, prodcos, agents and managers on
      their list.
      I believe they give a payment back to their clients
      for each pitch (don't know that for sure)
      So, it would seem, since studios/prodcos/etc are involved
      in this relationship, that sending writers to a service is
      ok?
      Or am I not bright enough to see the differences.
      I know many of the writers on this site have used VPF.
      I don't know either of the script consultants on this
      board but if I need a clear evaluation of a script I'm
      fogged on, I will use them or someone else.
      That's pretty much all I have. I'd like to add something
      brilliant but it ain't happening.
      Carry on.
      The Cole

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      • Re: Rain Management Group and Artist International

        Well, that's another whole debate then, but at least the writers aren't being told how to write.

        That's the issue that I'm up in arms about.

        Writers paying for bad guidance.

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        • Re: Rain Management Group and Artist International

          Originally posted by Gillyflower Cooms
          I hope you don't read scripts because your comprehension is low. I'm talking about liability issues. Civil issues not criminal, Einstein. There's a reason agencies and management companies have no solicitation polices, release forms and all that. Agencies and management companies often find themselves in lawsuits from angry writers claiming their stuff has been stolen and so on...Using an outside contractor just opens up the company to unforeseen and uncontrollable liability issues. There's an extra hand in the chain of custody that isn't under the control of the company... It could get messy. That's why NOBODY in the business does it. It's not a smart way to keep the company's ass covered. Aren't you a manager? Your lack of understanding here is kind of scary. Just saying.
          It's unfortunate that you feel the need to go to personal attacks. Beyond that, I thought I made my point pretty clear, if not, I'll try one more time.

          The fact that the vast majority of agents and managers don't use outside consultants to screen submissions, laying off the cost on the writers, doesn't mean it's illegal. It doesn't even mean that there's a potential liability.

          I seriously doubt that there is any conceivable legal liability in this situation. The fact is, lawsuits over "stolen" ideas and material are filed against buyers of IP, not sellers of IP. Agencies and Management companies accept submissions without signed releases all the time, if they were really concerned, they would force their employees to obtain a release on every piece of material that came in the door. They don't.

          Therefore, I doubt that fear of liability had anything to do with the consultants deciding to discontinue the practice.

          I think that's pretty simple, you obviously disagree. That's fine.

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          • Re: Rain Management Group and Artist International

            And that seems like a good place to shut this down.
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            • Re: Rain Management Group and Artist International

              I deleted a lot of posts so this thread may not make any sense anymore, but things had gotten way out of hand and it was messy. Very very messy.
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