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Old 10-27-2012, 09:55 AM   #401
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Default Re: Black List founder Franklin Leonard answers your questions about the Black List

People just like trolling.

Bottom line, there is a cheap way to get your sh!t read by real industry people--I bet most of the people griping will use the service. Repeatedly.

Seeing Rant's response to Jeff's notes illuminates Botti's point, even the miniscule number people who have talent are likely to have a terminal lack of people skills. (not saying Rant's script showed/didn't show talent, I didn't read it)
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:10 AM   #402
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To echo Craig, I call them "faux screenplays". They're perfectly formatted. Not a typo to be found. Look, Ma, it's a script! But they have no voice, no style, no story.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:23 AM   #403
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Could someone please provide a short summary for those of us who don't want to wade through 40 pages?
1) Franklin has a new website that uses a private algorithm to match scripts to the over 1000 industry professionals who have joined.

2) Some writers are very enthusiastic about a new method to get their scripts in front of people who can help them.

3) Some writers are worried that it could be exploitative because there are monthly fees, and scripts that had previously been lauded elsewhere haven't been on the new site.

4) Professional writers and managers are taking a wait and see approach, though they seem optimistic.

5) Time and individual success stories will determine how helpful this is to all parties.

6) Isn't it about time you googled Assh**e Ninja?
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:13 PM   #404
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I've seen this pop up a few times and has been left unanswered, so i'd like to respond.

1. I'm not so sure having a name behind will help you out in any way. If they don't like it, they don't like it.
2. Screenplay mechanic is one guy, right? His name's going to be known, he wants it to be known.
3. Maybe there are, but I don't know of any competition coverage service that provides the info on who did the review. It's to protect the reviewer.
4. It's going to be reviewed by someone you probably don't know anyway and only opens up the door for harassment by writers who feel slighted. This also opens the door for reviewers to not be so harsh when they feel they should, for fear of said harassment, thus giving many an unworthy review.

I'm really not sure how knowing the name of the reviewer helps you? What are you going to do with a name?



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Thank you for explaining Franklin.

Silly of me to expect there might be a higher level of accountability when PAYING MONEY to be reviewed. When people PAY you money, it's not the same as a cold query.

When people pay Screenplay Mechanic, at least they KNOW who's reading their work.

Of course you can keep reassuring people that based on your reputation for creating the BL, there's no possible way any of your (secret)readers could possibly do a poor job evaluating a script because of your reputation.

When you ask people to pay for something (yes, even wanna be screenwriters who seem to fall for anything as they chase pipe dreams), once you ask them to pay, they have every right to ask what they're getting for their money. Or in this case, who the hell is reading my script?
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:18 PM   #405
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I would've actually liked to have some kind of anonymous contact with the reviewer, but not to bicker about my score, but because I wanted further more detailed clarification on some of the weaknesses of my script, so I can make it better.

However, doing this opens up a door for a whole slew of other issues for 3.0 to deal with. And I think most people will probably just bicker about their score, plead for a higher one, and go on and on about defending their script and why the reviewer was dead wrong. I think the site would lose many of its best reviewers this way.
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:47 PM   #406
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We've all seen what happens when someone posts pages here and then has to argue about the feedback. Now think what would happen if untalented writers were given the opportunity to "ask questions" with the reviewer.

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Old 10-27-2012, 03:48 PM   #407
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That really sums it up but how many people can admit to themselves their scripts lack the fluorescence to glow?

I know the level I want to achieve and I know I am not there yet. Even when I was sending out scripts and getting good coverage, good feedback, one consider, I had this sinking feeling I was an imposter.

Then something Craig Mazin said here crystalized it for me with the phrase: adequate forgeries. I had to admit to myself that's what I was writing -- adequate forgeries. And maybe I could fool some of the people some of the time with my forgeries. But the sleight of hand would never work forever.

Actually, I think it's damn hard to even get to a level of writing to produce an adequate forgery. To get beyond that point is so much harder. To actually get to a point to earn a living at it, harder still.
Slight tangent: Have you finished anything lately, SC?

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Old 10-27-2012, 04:01 PM   #408
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I gave BL a whirl with an action thriller that's done well at other places. First read got an overall 3, which I found surprising, but as it wasn't a 1 or 2, I figured the review was on the lower end of a fair read, but still a fair read. To get a better feel for where the script stood, I submitted it again. It just got an 8. So there you go, cross-validation.

Having read the thread in its entirety, I suggest writers to submit their scripts at least once, and if their script gets a low score but has been truly validated by a legitimate non-Black List entity, submit again and feel it out. If a legit third party has not validated their script, it's likely better for them to rewrite it.
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:05 PM   #409
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Hey SC.

Now that Harolds once again digging up history from the scripts pages, tell us honestly, which one did you prefer, mine or his?

Because he's talking about untalented writers griping.
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:18 PM   #410
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I gave BL a whirl with an action thriller that's done well at other places. First read got an overall 3, which I found surprising, but as it wasn't a 1 or 2, I figured the review was on the lower end of a fair read, but still a fair read. To get a better feel for where the script stood, I submitted it again. It just got an 8. So there you go, cross-validation.

Having read the thread in its entirety, I suggest writers to submit their scripts at least once, and if their script gets a low score but has been truly validated by a legitimate non-Black List entity, submit again and feel it out. If a legit third party has not validated their script, it's likely better for them to rewrite it.
Good advice.
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