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Old 05-24-2015, 07:45 PM   #81
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And where is a landmass so huge that it takes 160 days to traverse it on motorized vehicles?
If you walked for just 6 hrs a day at 4 mph, you could traverse the entire Australian continent in 105 days. LOLOL.

These are just the type of stupid things I look for in my scripts.
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Old 05-25-2015, 01:12 AM   #82
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I'm late to the party on this one but just saw this with my girlfriend tonight. We were absolutely blown away.

If you didn't like this, you don't have a soul.
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Old 05-25-2015, 11:21 AM   #83
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Overall, it's a fantastic pure action movie. You can quibble with certain aspects, like characters who actually say they're out for "redemption." (I suspect Tom Hardy's facemask was intended to protect him from the damaging effects of on-the-nose dialogue.) And where is a landmass so huge that it takes 160 days to traverse it on motorized vehicles? Still, it's a great example of an action film that provides the goods without lapsing into a sort of incoherent monotony of BOOM BANG KA-BLOOEY.
I was more curious how in the actual f--k they were supposed to be able to fit 160 days worth of food for a dozen people on the backs of motorcycles... Somebody's been hiding the lembas bread.
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Old 05-25-2015, 07:49 PM   #84
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I was more curious how in the actual f--k they were supposed to be able to fit 160 days worth of food for a dozen people on the backs of motorcycles... Somebody's been hiding the lembas bread.
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Old 05-26-2015, 01:37 PM   #85
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Hmm. This is why writers should not be allowed to watch movies.

Q - Who destroyed the world?

A - Writers.

I won't say this was a "great" story, but it was a "fantastic" movie.

But, even in the so called weaknesses, I found strengths. So much talk of beats and arcs and such, but I found the music to be between the notes on this one. I allowed my inner writer to fill in the openings the story gave me.

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It is most certainly Furiosa's story. Thus the "Fury Road" subtitle which most have been hinting. It is not an "overthrow the warlord" story, but one that is much more complex. It's the value of the female identity as differently seen between the sexes. Immortan Joe clearly loves his wives and wants to save them, protect them, and care for them. But his love is stifling and controlling and strips away their individuality... while individuality is something Furiosa has in abundance.

To label it feminist is lazy. It's deeper than that. It's naturalist. Men destroy. Women nurture. Yet like the relationship between the yin/yang, both are essential. When men are left to rule absolute, you get what Immortan Joe had, but when women are left to rule you get the lost clan of wanderers with a bag of unused seeds. It's generic archetype/stereotype, but it's universally true of masculine/feminine forces in nature.

The uncarved block (the Tao) is Max. His only purpose is to survive, and he's gotten extremely good at that. He needs no words. He is indeed the hallow man driven by instinct with his only humanity defined by a cadre of ghosts that haunt his mind. He spends a good bit of time trying to actually not hurt anybody. He just wants to get away. The path of least resistance guides his journey until the humanity surfaces enough for him to show the clan of women what they will have to do to win. They'll have to fight.

There's quite a lot of dialogue going on and none of it is actually being said. That's pretty rock solid in my book, because even if I'm pulling out things that don't exist, the movie has still managed to engage my thoughts and a great discussion on gender roles and societal values between myself and the girlfriend on the ride home. Any movie that can spark a dialogue wins!

And...

That warboy on guitar might have been one of the most geektacular moments I've had in a movie in a long long time.
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Old 05-26-2015, 04:40 PM   #86
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It's the value of the female identity as differently seen between the sexes. Immortan Joe clearly loves his wives and wants to save them, protect them, and care for them. But his love is stifling and controlling and strips away their individuality... while individuality is something Furiosa has in abundance.
Uh, his wives were slaves. To say that Immortan Joe "loved" them is pretty horrific. He actually refers to them as his property and SPOILER, he was far more angered when he found out one was carrying a son than he was when she died.

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To label it feminist is lazy. It's deeper than that. It's naturalist. Men destroy. Women nurture. Yet like the relationship between the yin/yang, both are essential. When men are left to rule absolute, you get what Immortan Joe had, but when women are left to rule you get the lost clan of wanderers with a bag of unused seeds. It's generic archetype/stereotype, but it's universally true of masculine/feminine forces in nature.
Do you realize saying "Men destroy. Women nurture" is sexist? Women are just as capable of destroying as men are at nurturing. And how do you get "when women are left to rule, you get the lost clan of wanders with a bag of unused seeds?" I didn't see anything about "women ruling" in that situation. Those masculine/feminine forces in nature account for all the species where females are the larger, more dominate of the pair and males care of the offspring?
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:00 PM   #87
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I should have quoted "love". I didn't mean it was healthy. Like loving a chair really.

Seriously though. Yin/yang. A little bit of this in a little bit of that. Yes women can destroy and men can nurture. I'm a single father raising two very strong and independent girls. Got it But thanks for jumping straight onto the societal bandwagon and parsing bits of my statements and bastardizing them to cast a knee jerk judgment on my character.

The story also shows women can be strong and fierce and that men can nurture. That's ingrained in the message - The power of change when both sides embrace the strengths and weaknesses of the other and work together.
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Old 05-27-2015, 12:56 PM   #88
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I should have quoted "love". I didn't mean it was healthy. Like loving a chair really.

Seriously though. Yin/yang. A little bit of this in a little bit of that. Yes women can destroy and men can nurture. I'm a single father raising two very strong and independent girls. Got it But thanks for jumping straight onto the societal bandwagon and parsing bits of my statements and bastardizing them to cast a knee jerk judgment on my character.

The story also shows women can be strong and fierce and that men can nurture. That's ingrained in the message - The power of change when both sides embrace the strengths and weaknesses of the other and work together.
Parsing bits of your statement? I was responding to full paragraphs.

And that darn societal bandwagon that doesn't want to lump all males into one category and women into the opposite.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:51 PM   #89
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How exactly could I possibly put a character like Furiosa in the same category as the slave wives or the clan at the end? They're all so different. Max, Dux, and Joe are also very much different. The story (like most stories) is a metaphor, and it takes shortcuts to outline a theme. That's all I was trying to say. That's what I saw in it. Nitpicking details is a waste of time.

There are sublime moments, however,... SPOILER

Like the slave girl that wants to go fleeing back. How often is that seen in the real world in abusive relationships (on both sides). The devil that we know?

Or how Max resists any emotional connection because it will make him feel responsible for it.

There's science of how men and women tend to think differently between emotion and reason. The problem isn't the differences. The problem, in my opinion, is reactionary outcry because of those differences... as if there is a right or wrong.
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Old 05-29-2015, 07:18 AM   #90
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Late to the party, and wasn't a huge fan. There were some little touches that I really liked, mainly in the production design (the Frankenvehicles, the guy using a give way sign as a shield, the accelerator pedal of the main truck being an old shoe sizer and so on), but I honestly got quite bored. I didn't engage with anyone, and especially not Max.

And you don't have to have an elaborate character setup to engage me. As an example let's use... the original Mad Max. You don't even fully SEE Max until he gets out of the car after chasing down the Night Rider. He's said all of about 6 quiet words into the police radio. But you know a hell of a lot about him just by the way he calmly prepares, drives like a demon, and the expression on his face as he looks at the flaming wreck of the NR's car. I got more out of that Max in around 4 minutes than I did in this one's 120.

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