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Old 08-24-2019, 10:52 AM   #21
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But when someone who has twelve film credits under their belt offers great advice, I would take it regardless of what I paid for it.
Same... whomever has the most credits wins the debate (and that def ain't me).

My best advice is on the agenting side (how they think/what they do). I have no clue what it means to be produced.
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:29 AM   #22
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Same... whomever has the most credits wins the debate (and that def ain't me).

My best advice is on the agenting side (how they think/what they do). I have no clue what it means to be produced.
I wrote and wrote and marketed myself and my work relentlessly for over a decade, with countless rejections, doors slammed in my face, predatory producers looking to fleece me, getting close and having projects vanish, before my first produced film. Let me tell you... it was worth it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:16 PM   #23
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I think that's right.

I directed a bunch of shorts in grad school, got signed as writer/director, started writing for a living, and didn't direct anything since grad school.

and you are absolutely right about people directing without prior experience. In fact, I definitely don't feel like I am a noob at the directing thing. It's just that my writing samples are MILES ahead of my directing samples (for obvious reasons) and the two don't really match up. Especially if you're a producer who, as someone mentioned, can't see potential.

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So you're currently working on a feature to write and direct?

You made other stuff (with footage?) but never finished a short film since college which you don't want to show?

Is that right?

Many first time directors make feature films and they didnt' do anything beforehand.
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:19 PM   #24
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sorry, Bono. what should I clear up?

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Part of the problem is I don't think the OP has cleared up all the details. We all could be right and wrong!
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:20 PM   #25
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So can you clear up if this producer has credits or is up and coming as well? Did you mention the shorts to him/her or did the producer say "show me a short film."

I feel you're leaving out like the 10% of the details that would solve this issue easier if it still is an issue for you... maybe you already made your decision.

This happens to us all on here -- either we don't give enough or give way too many details which confuses the other people trying to help because we don't know the things you know. It's even worse when people give so many specific details and you want to shout "wait, who the hell is Derek???"
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:26 PM   #26
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lol okay! here are the missing clues...

- Producer is an Exec at a production company. young guy- early 30s.
- He asked me if I have directed before, I said yes, he said "great - send me the shorts so I can show them to my Boss"
- we went to the same University and he knows exactly where these shorts land, in terms of budget and scope.

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So can you clear up if this producer has credits or is up and coming as well? Did you mention the shorts to him/her or did the producer say "show me a short film."

I feel you're leaving out like the 10% of the details that would solve this issue easier if it still is an issue for you... maybe you already made your decision.

This happens to us all on here -- either we don't give enough or give way too many details which confuses the other people trying to help because we don't know the things you know. It's even worse when people give so many specific details and you want to shout "wait, who the hell is Derek???"
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:34 PM   #27
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RE: whether or not a writer MUST have directed shorts prior to pitching himself as director... here's what I have learned based on my experiences:

- A writer's biggest asset is his/her ORIGINAL screenplay. 101%. You can adapt something, of course, but it helps immensely if the material is completely out of your own head and you chain yourself to it as the director. In other words, it's you making the movie or it's nobody else.

- For me, having a great DP vouch for my technical knowledge and see my storyboards has been incredibly helpful.

- As someone else mentioned, there are plenty of people who made the leap from no shorts to feature, or from so-so shorts to fantastic feature. Richard Kelly, Tarantino, Aronofsky... their shorts are all pretty bad but their first features are incredible. So it seems that it's more about someone TRUSTING you rather than you working your ass of to try and create that one-in-a-million short film that's going to wow every single person in town.
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Old 08-24-2019, 02:11 PM   #28
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I mentioned that many first timers have not made short films prior. Maybe someone else here did. So I agree on that front. You don't need it. But since it came up....

Anyway now that I have all the clues, unless you have a film that is so embarrassingly bad or has outdated jokes or pop culture like a Trump joke like my old spec from 2013, then send it to exec because he gets it.
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:41 AM   #29
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I wrote and wrote and marketed myself and my work relentlessly for over a decade, with countless rejections, doors slammed in my face, predatory producers looking to fleece me, getting close and having projects vanish, before my first produced film. Let me tell you... it was worth it.
Good to hear!

This biz is friggin brutal!

Thus, I'm super stoked for anyone who's actually been produced. What a feat!
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:55 AM   #30
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RE: whether or not a writer MUST have directed shorts prior to pitching himself as director... here's what I have learned based on my experiences:

- A writer's biggest asset is his/her ORIGINAL screenplay. 101%. You can adapt something, of course, but it helps immensely if the material is completely out of your own head and you chain yourself to it as the director. In other words, it's you making the movie or it's nobody else.

- For me, having a great DP vouch for my technical knowledge and see my storyboards has been incredibly helpful.

- As someone else mentioned, there are plenty of people who made the leap from no shorts to feature, or from so-so shorts to fantastic feature. Richard Kelly, Tarantino, Aronofsky... their shorts are all pretty bad but their first features are incredible. So it seems that it's more about someone TRUSTING you rather than you working your ass of to try and create that one-in-a-million short film that's going to wow every single person in town.

I know a dude who went from a $10,000 short to a $6,000,000 feature. Incredible. I was slated to score it, but he fired me. D!ck. LOL

TIP: If you direct a feature know what composing the score is going into it (Swear, I had to teach the guy. Worst position for a composer to be in). He wouldn't meet me to 'spot' it. I'm like "Dude... I haven't been able to get ahold of, you can't ghost me, we HAVE to meet to spot it, that's what a director DOES." He's like "Dude, I can't, I'm so stressed!" I'm like "Bro, just relax... take a deep breath... everything's gonna be fine, I'm here to help you. Let's meet today and go over the cues, we HAVE to. No choice." He's like "Dude, just write whatever and I'll have the editor check it out... okay? I gotta go!" I'm like "Bro, you sound like you're about to hang up on me, don't fukkin hang up on me, stay with me... Hello? HELLO?? Fukker hung up on me!"

Don't be that director. Keep your sh!t together or don't do this. The mental breakdown will pass. LOL
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