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Old 08-09-2020, 09:50 AM   #381
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OP could be wrong but in being more discerning (saying no more often) he will be less likely to commit to an idea that is not strong. This may result in some misses (other than De Luca who thought Boogie Nights was a movie?) but it will also result in a better cultivation of ideas.
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Old 08-09-2020, 10:36 AM   #382
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Why am I being called OP -- like you guys and girls don't know me? I'm standing right here!!!!

The whole point was many writers are bad at picking ideas and they may never get better at it. But some of us are capable of learning and that's who I'm speaking too.
Others are going to make the same mistakes over and over. Others are going to be lucky and ideas they think of just happen to be very marketable.

And I'm always posting in my mind to a few writers who may hear me -- most active members on this board have made up their mind about how they write and do things -- that's fine. I'm taking to the new generation with this whole thread for the most part. Or for the few old people like me that maybe can still learn new ways to do things and improve.
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Old 08-09-2020, 02:14 PM   #383
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Subjectivity and self-analysis is always a problem. It's why I pitch road testing ideas - first off, do the research to make sure it doesn't exist, and then pitch it to everyone on earth and get their reactions.

Honestly, just the act of boiling your story down to a quick pitch is more than a lot of people do before they start writing. If you can't express it in one to three sentences and have it make sense and be interesting, that should tell you something. The script pages section here has a bunch of these - "I don't really have a good logline yet, but it's kind of about this and then this happens and there's this guy and I was inspired by a relative." That's a problem!
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When a Goth’s secret metalhead crush is obsessed with the hottest girl in high school, she helps him score a date so he can realize she’s not his true love, but will her plan backfire?
Some Kind of Wonderful (1987). One of the most beloved and memorable teen romcoms. Good luck with generating interest with that.

Roughly the same amount of luck needed to sell your script about a guy who travels back in time in a VW Golf, and causes his dad to fall in love with him.
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Old 08-09-2020, 02:36 PM   #385
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Also let’s be blunt. Have you (asking entire group) had success with your own logline? People give out logline advice on here and I’m not sure they’ve even sent a successful query themselves. Let alone all the success Jeff has had.
I got a lot of read requests but I'm sure its Black List score was also a determining factor though, to be fair, no one replied saying the logline sucked.

If I had Jeff's success I wouldn't have posted my arc-based threads. And I'd be driving a better car.
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Old 08-09-2020, 02:43 PM   #386
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Jeff, you’re deeming the JOHN TUCKER story idea as “great” only because of the fact that it sold -- It sold, so that proves it was a great story idea.

No. In my opinion, Jeff and members, which relates to the topic of this thread, I do not deem a “great” story idea this way (being sold).
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Don’t you think MGM and Fox were interested, not because of the story idea was so great, but because of all the variables that came with it: commercial idea, strong targeted audience, sensible budget, it’s writer is a proven successful screenwriter presently working in the industry, etc.?
JTMD was a 'great' script for exactly these reasons: high concept, intriguing, commercial and talent-attracting. Most of which you identified yourself. Just because it doesn't meet your definition of 'great' doesn't mean it isn't. A great idea is not just 'wow, never seen that before' - it's all the other attributes, too. You clearly have no idea what 'high concept' means and you speaking for the reaction of everybody (amateur and pro alike) is spectacularly ridiculous.

And to answer your question that you decided to conveniently answer yourself: yes, it would make people think 'wow, how come this hasn't been made yet?' and it DID cause that reaction - hence it sold, twice, got produced, and made moolah. Up to that point, the romcom jerk just 'lost' the girl or lost his 'cool' rep.

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Some Kind of Wonderful (1987). One of the most beloved and memorable teen romcoms. Good luck with generating interest with that.

Roughly the same amount of luck needed to sell your script about a guy who travels back in time in a VW Golf, and causes his dad to fall in love with him.
I love that 2nd idea!
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Old 08-09-2020, 03:08 PM   #388
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BTW, We should do a rematch of the TV pilot notes. Id love a rematch. That was the most exciting thing to happen around here in a long while and Id like to run it back. If youre too busy or just dont feel like thats cool.
Best idea since the Romans invented roads.
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Subjectivity and self-analysis is always a problem. It's why I pitch road testing ideas - first off, do the research to make sure it doesn't exist, and then pitch it to everyone on earth and get their reactions.

Honestly, just the act of boiling your story down to a quick pitch is more than a lot of people do before they start writing. If you can't express it in one to three sentences and have it make sense and be interesting, that should tell you something. The script pages section here has a bunch of these - "I don't really have a good logline yet, but it's kind of about this and then this happens and there's this guy and I was inspired by a relative." That's a problem!
And maybe we keep burying the lead of the story.

Jeff is a great writer and a big part of that is him choosing great ideas. People keep separating these things out like they are two different skills -- but to me they are one and the same. Being able to find a great concept that can be boiled down to as few words as possible and write a readable/sellable script are using the same set of skills to me.

If I can't get a one sentence logline that people understand easily -- then I know my feature is in trouble before I begin.
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I love that 2nd idea!
Good job I drive a VW Golf then. I have all the inside knowledge I need to make this script believable.


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If I can't get a one sentence logline that people understand easily -- then I know my feature is in trouble before I begin.
It's also not high concept.
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