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  • Re: Project X

    Originally posted by sasqits
    Her: Well, I would like counsel veterans who have just returned from war.

    Me: That's great. Do you have relatives who were veterans?

    Her: No

    Me: Interesting. Now, is that what you really want to do or is it something you chose b/c you need a career to survive? I mean is that your dream in life b/c I'm pursuing my dream of creating art and even though I'm not making a career of it yet, I'm very satisfied. I couldn't imagine living any other way.

    Her: Actually, I just want to find a man to take care of me. I'll give him sex when he wants and cook and clean, I just don't want to work.
    You know, I read this exchange and I'm thinking the young woman was being sarcastic because you put her off.

    You asked her what she wanted to do ... then you essentially question her motives for wanting to counsel veterans (no one plans to counsel veterans to "survive") in somewhat demeaning way, as if her dream is not on par with your dream of "creating" ... then you went on about yourself .... honestly, as a woman, I'd be looking for a way out of that conversation too. Sarcasm would be a good route.
    Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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      i still can get over the fact that they actually bussed groupies... ahem, i mean women in to party at the Harvard frat parties in The Social Network. these guys can't party with smart women?!!!
      they all want trophy wives?!!!

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      • Re: Project X

        Originally posted by sc111 View Post
        You know, I read this exchange and I'm thinking the young woman was being sarcastic because you put her off.

        You asked her what she wanted to do ... then you essentially question her motives for wanting to counsel veterans (no one plans to counsel veterans to "survive") in somewhat demeaning way, as if her dream is not on par with your dream of "creating" ... then you went on about yourself .... honestly, as a woman, I'd be looking for a way out of that conversation too. Sarcasm would be a good route.
        you'd think but I had a few girls in high school who said they wanted to be trophy wive's they weren't joking either.

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        • Re: Project X

          Originally posted by SBScript View Post
          I'm sure folks said the same thing back when the only roles for black people were mammies, slaves, and subhuman comic relief.
          Wait...this has changed?

          =p
          -chris

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            Nowadays, no one pursues acting as a means to survival.<<

            This is just silly. No one who was starving ever decided to turn to acting in order to survive. It's the same now as it ever was, people do it because they want to act.

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            • Re: Project X

              So in summary, and please correct me if I'm wrong:

              Due to anecdotal evidence that suggests that some women like to be objectified, there's nothing wrong with writers, directors, producers, and money people objectifying women in film. And, if your anti objectification, you should just blame women, because they're the main reason the objectification occurs since they took the roles.

              hmm...

              Can't say a proper measure of sound reason allows me to agree with this. But I'll agree to disagree.
              -chris

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              • Re: Project X

                This debate of portrayals of women in the media just isn't relevant anymore.<<

                I don't think we are going to be able to bridge this gap. I will leave you with a final thought, though. To claim that the "portrayal of women in media" is not relevant to how women are perceived, valued, and how they perceive and value themselves is nonsense. To claim that those days are "over" is ridiculous. To claim that women have equality of options is nonsense. Women are still paid less money, across the board, across all professions, to do the same job that a man is paid to do.

                Recent Time Magazine article on the issue. The pay gap between men and women ranges between 9% and 29%.

                http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...983185,00.html

                Any person's life plan is shaped and impacted by the messages which the culture around them is promoting. This impacts choices in education and career. Your fundamental proposition is simply not supported.

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                  But I do agree that more women should reject these types of roles though. On grounds of integrity.
                  -chris

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                    Originally posted by SBScript View Post
                    To claim that the "portrayal of women in media" is not relevant to how women are perceived, valued, and how they perceive and value themselves is nonsense. To claim that those days are "over" is ridiculous.
                    Strongly agree. There are definitely links that can be drawn. I still place blame on individuals for behaviors, but the above is truth.
                    -chris

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                    • Re: Project X

                      Originally posted by kintnerboy View Post
                      Earlier in this thread, someone said that "geezers" (men in their 30's and 40's btw) 'haven't got the slightest idea what today's kids are like'.

                      That statement is inaccurate for three reasons.

                      One, it ignores the fact that teen movies have always been written by geezers.

                      Two, it's ignorant of the fact that young people have never changed. The clothes and music change. The slang changes. People don't. And every generation thinks they invented sex. The Millennial's came up with the Shocker, in the 70's it was the Zipless Fvck...... I'm telling you, somewhere in the 1300's, during the plague, there were people who think they invented the BJ.

                      Three, the advent of the internet is changing the world in ways that we won't really appreciate for years to come.

                      The movie Fast Times At Ridgemont High was so groundbreaking because Cameron Crowe, who looked young, went back to high school 'undercover' and really captured what kids were like at the time.

                      Now everyone lives their lives in public. Everyone knows what young people are like today. It's no mystery. They live their lives on You Tube.

                      I still say there's a movie to be made here (hopefully written by a woman). It can't be a coincidence that the first generation to come of age with porn on their cell phones has pretty much rejected the romantic comedy genre.

                      I was a "geezer" when I was in grade school.

                      Other than that, you're right on the money, plus I like the fact you mentioned "Fast Times".
                      "A screenwriter is much like being a fire hydrant with a bunch of dogs lined up around it.- -Frank Miller

                      "A real writer doesn't just want to write; a real writer has to write." -Alan Moore

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                      • Re: Project X

                        Originally posted by TBEagle View Post
                        you'd think but I had a few girls in high school who said they wanted to be trophy wive's they weren't joking either.

                        Were you looking them in the eyes or a spot about six inches lower?

                        SBScript is a wise man -- there's no reason for me to echo every point he's made. He's 100% correct.

                        Still -- it's sad to see some of the POVs posted here.
                        Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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                        • Re: Project X

                          Originally posted by SBScript View Post
                          This debate of portrayals of women in the media just isn’t relevant anymore.<<

                          I don't think we are going to be able to bridge this gap. I will leave you with a final thought, though. To claim that the "portrayal of women in media" is not relevant to how women are perceived, valued, and how they perceive and value themselves is nonsense. To claim that those days are "over" is ridiculous. To claim that women have equality of options is nonsense. Women are still paid less money, across the board, across all professions, to do the same job that a man is paid to do.

                          Recent Time Magazine article on the issue. The pay gap between men and women ranges between 9% and 29%.

                          http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...983185,00.html

                          Any person's life plan is shaped and impacted by the messages which the culture around them is promoting. This impacts choices in education and career. Your fundamental proposition is simply not supported.
                          I was thinking about this when I was watching some of the tweener TV shows with the kid last week. The lead girl who always reaches her goal and/or gets the guys is always physically perfect compared to the other girls in the cast.

                          The lead usually has a pudgy or less perfect looking best friend who cheers her on from the sidelines and helps the lead reach her goals, but the best friend never gets the guy and rarely has goals of her own.

                          This formula in casting and stories is so ingrained in our media and really powerful in terms of a message.

                          I see how this impacts my 9 year old. She very slim but lately she's worried about getting fat. Isit any wonder she worries that pudgy = failure across the board?
                          Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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                          • Re: Project X

                            Originally posted by SkyPolynomial View Post
                            But I do agree that more women should reject these types of roles though. On grounds of integrity.
                            many women do. but then snooki gets an exuberant amount of press time and well... i'm just not gonna say. <<<the NikeeGoddess just shakes her head>>>

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                              Originally posted by NikeeGoddess View Post
                              many women do. but then snooki gets an exuberant amount of press time and well... i'm just not gonna say. <<<the NikeeGoddess just shakes her head>>>
                              Snooki - for sure. The Bad Girls Club. The Real Housewives of XYZ... it's 2012 and TV is pumping out every possible negative stereotype about women as boys and girls watch and form opinions of what's normal.

                              There was a news report about a week ago where a 10 year old girl beat up another girl the same age over a boy. The girl who got the beat down died later from head injuries. I wonder if the little killer watches some of these shows or youtube for that matter. Sheesh.
                              Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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                              • Re: Project X

                                Originally posted by sc111 View Post
                                There was a news report about a week ago where a 10 year old girl beat up another girl the same age over a boy. The girl who got the beat down died later from head injuries. I wonder if the little killer watches some of these shows or youtube for that matter. Sheesh.

                                I'm almost certain.
                                "There is no greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you."
                                -Maya Angelou

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