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Old 06-20-2013, 08:30 AM   #71
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Man of Steel is no more intelligently designed. And they both (along with The Avengers) have basically the same third-act set piece.

Stupidity that treats itself with Terrence Malick profundity is still stupidity. I'd rather the film own up to it instead of trying to hoodwink the audience from behind a mask of overblown forced emotion less subtle than a construction crew jackhammering at a death metal concert.

Both movies are dumb. One is just honest about it.
The flaws of TF3 go way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way beyond what it chooses to do or not do in its 3rd act.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:15 AM   #72
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The flaws of TF3 go way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way beyond what it chooses to do or not do in its 3rd act.

Yeah, and those flying men...? Yuck...
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:06 AM   #73
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Any movie that has men casually flying around is ridiculous, obviously.


Women, on the other hand...
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:32 PM   #74
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If that's true, the Dark Knight trilogy should have taken seriously by the critics, let alone done seriously by Nolan.
...what?

Those movies are as dumb as a sack of broken hammers. Not my fault most people respond more positively to style rather than substance.

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The flaws of TF3 go way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way beyond what it chooses to do or not do in its 3rd act.
Clarify that point, please.

Anyone can make outrageous claims. This is the time where you put your money where your mouth is and move from talking the talk to walking the walk.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:20 AM   #75
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I think critics do go a little hard on MOS though, I mean sheesh Iron Man 2 has 73% on rt and I fell asleep during that. Seems like MOS is the sort of film audiences dig but critics use as an opportunity to take a pot shot.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:31 AM   #76
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...what?

Those movies are as dumb as a sack of broken hammers.

Why don't you tell me 2+ 2 = 5 or the Earth's the center of the universe?

Edit: "If that's true, the Dark Knight trilogy shouldn't have been taken seriously by the critics, let alone done seriously by Nolan."
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:31 AM   #77
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Today I've seen somewhere a reviewer describing Man of Steel as "The Clark Knight". Funny.
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I think critics do go a little hard on MOS though, I mean sheesh Iron Man 2 has 73% on rt and I fell asleep during that. Seems like MOS is the sort of film audiences dig but critics use as an opportunity to take a pot shot.
Happens all the time. For Man of Steel:

Critics 57%
Audience 82%

By comparison, say, The Passion of the Christ, stands at:

Critics 49%
Audience 84%

Or take another Synder film, 300:

Critics 60% ("Top" Critics 43%)
Audience 90%

There are plenty of themes and approaches that critics don't like to see in films but that audiences do. Not especially surprising.

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Coming back to Man of Steel, another aspect of the film I find agreeble is that it complicates good/evil distinctions in subtle ways, as better films in this genre should. Kal-El learns from his both of his fathers, to be sure, but what makes the conclusion of the film so marvellously unsettling is that for better or worse, he also learns from the antagonists.

At one point, the Antje Traue character (the female Kryptonian) taunts Superman by saying:

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The fact that you possess a sense of morality, and we do not, gives us an evolutionary advantage. And if history has proven anything, it is that evolution always wins.
A fairly predictable kind of philosophy for an antagonist to take in these films. Hollywood often makes its "villains" make declarations that comprise a haphazard soup of social Darwinism, pseudo-Nietzscheanism, and Machiavellianism -- all the usual bugaboos of media culture today.

And yet what is Superman's ultimate rationale for resisting Zod's efforts to restore his homeworld?

"Krypton had its chance."

Rather Darwinian statement, arguing that Krypton lost the evolutionary struggle (a line that recalls Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park, "Dinosaurs had their chance"). Kal-El has, in this regard at least, embraced Antje Traue's contention that "evolution always wins."

Furthermore, having Superman execute Zod at the end of the film indicates that whatever "sense of morality" Kal-El possesses, it's one that does not prevent him from acting in a lethal manner.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:37 AM   #79
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Clarify that point, please.

Anyone can make outrageous claims. This is the time where you put your money where your mouth is and move from talking the talk to walking the walk.
Whatever you say, Patton.

I think I'll spend my energy writing movies, instead.


Edit: Okay, I'll give one thing that's low-hanging fruit. Rosie Huntington-Whiteley
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:38 AM   #80
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Today I've seen somewhere a reviewer describing Man of Steel as "The Clark Knight". Funny.
This is now among my most favoritist of things.
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