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[60WordsPerHour]

Originally Posted by entlassen

1. That probably stemmed from Hitler's interest in architecture. Anyway what do you have to say about the Allies detonating German buildings and burning German books in huge bonfires because they thought they were evil? No problem with that, I assume.
2. So?
3. What I find creepy is that someone would actually prefer the distorted human figures from that scan as opposed to the aesthetically-appealing ones I posted later. What do you find so offensive about the latter as opposed to the former? Nietzsche would have a field day with you.

1. Are you referring to the destruction of places like the Olbersalzberg? In some ways, I'd like it to have remained, but it would have become a pilgrimage site for unreconstructed Hitler fanatics. Know anyone like that?
2. I've already covered it. That you have the exact same thoughts as creeps like Alfred Rosenberg is very, very telling.
3. Your appreciation and analysis of art seems to be as facile as the Nazis. "Oh, it doesn't look exactly like a real person. My eyes! My eyes!".

Originally Posted by entlassen

I don't have any problem seeing it.

It 403'd when I clicked directly on the link.

However, when I cut and paste the url it shows up. And it's obvious as a Breker. Kitsch, empty and soulless. Inchoate. Also has the classic Nazi art legerdemain of sneaking a hint of eroticism into their crap covered up by classical allusions. Like the clumsy garbage by Ziegler. Such as:

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Originally Posted by entlassen

Socialist realism, the art that the Soviets enforced, was vastly different from the neoclassicism found in the Third Reich.

Stylistically it was different. But it shared the same root desire: art as state propaganda.

Originally Posted by entlassen

I don't know. Wasn't there recently a big controversy in Japan over a beauty queen not being Japanese enough? Ask them.

You don't know if a "racially pure human being" is someone whose father and mother are humans?

Again, says a lot about you.

[docgonzo]

Originally Posted by entlassen

Are we really going to pretend that everything that had to do with Germany between 1933 and 1945 was evil? Even the government encouraging people to not smoke, and encouraging schoolchildren to plant trees? Even that!

LOL! So this makes up for starting WWII and killing six million Jews in their conquest to eradicate their race from Europe? You're right, guess the Nazis weren't that bad!

[Geoff Alexander]

Originally Posted by docgonzo

LOL! So this makes up for starting WWII and killing six million Jews in their conquest to eradicate their race from Europe? You're right, guess the Nazis weren't that bad!

I don't know, if you can put 40% of a nation to work imprisoning and murdering 10% of the nation, while the other 50% of the nation attend parades and profess ignorance, then doesn't that somehow mean that, overall, you are doing good for the majority of the nation?

[docgonzo]

Originally Posted by Geoff Alexander

I don't know, if you can put 40% of a nation to work imprisoning and murdering 10% of the nation, while the other 50% of the nation attend parades and profess ignorance, then doesn't that somehow mean that, overall, you are doing good for the majority of the nation?

Yes! And they planted trees. So it's all good!

[Geoff Alexander]

Originally Posted by docgonzo

Yes! And they planted trees. So it's all good!

Seriously, what kind of subhuman doesn't like trees?

[sherbetbizarre]

Those trees were planted so our generation could write scripts on them.

Yay for the Nazis!

[Ire]

Originally Posted by entlassen

Sociopaths are characterized by their greed and lack of empathy for others. If Hitler had lacked empathy he wouldn't have done all the good he did for Germans in the 1930s. Sociopathic leaders don't, for example, end unemployment, build highways, ensure their people have affordable transportation, restructure an outdated military, or oversee an aesthetic overhaul of their country. Instead they steal the country's wealth, live in palaces eating and fornicating all day, and either let everything go to crap or turn the country into a prison camp like the USSR.

I want to read more about how you suggest the Holocaust, the extermination of the Jews and your rating of Hitler with the DSM/APSD. If he had to do it all over again would he? Was he just a pawn of other Jew-haters? Was he just caught up in it all? Was he just a narcissist? A wild-eyed dreamer whose dreams would have come true if it hadn't been for those Russians and pesky Allied Forces? Just how would you diagnose Hitler? What is your diagnosis of him for us unedjumacated folks. Enlighten me.

[Richmond Weems]

Originally Posted by entlassen

Like I said, before the war broke out...

"Adolf, I think we're on the right path, here. You've got Germans feeling good about themselves again. Well, most of them except the rats, if you know what I mean. But unemployment's down, prices are down...looks like it's going to be a beautiful--Ohmygod! War broke out! Where the hell did that come from?? Outta fvckin' nowhere...geez, you turn your back for one second..."

One cannot defend Nazism, but entlassen's giving it the old college try. Keep dreamin' that dream, entlassen.

(In all seriousness, this is where real names need to come into play. I need to know who to avoid.)

[FoxHound]

Originally Posted by entlassen

Are we really going to pretend that everything that had to do with Germany between 1933 and 1945 was evil? Even the government encouraging people to not smoke, and encouraging schoolchildren to plant trees? Even that?

Maybe you've just gotten tired of hearing about concentration camps. Google image Einsatzgruppen (German SS paramilitary death squads) and see the holocaust on the Eastern Front, where millions of Jews/Slavs were walked out of their villages and shot in mass graves. Well, some were shot. Many young children simply had their necks snapped due to bullet shortages.

Afterwards, you might think to yourself "You know what? The tree-planting thing seems a bit insignificant in comparison."

[Bunker]

Taken in a vacuum, were some of the Nazi policies "progressive" or even "enlightened"? Sure.

Were there good, honorable Germans during the war? Sure, I guess.

Does Hollywood tend to reduce complex conflict into Good vs Evi over-simplifications? Without a doubt.

Has the world treated Hitler and Nazi Germany unfairly? NO FVCKING WAY!!!

The foundation of the Nazi Party was the belief in their racial superiority. That single belief is what guided even the best-intentioned of their policies (such as -Aryans don't smoke because lung cancer makes them less likely to reproduce). At the very least, this belief structure and the policies based upon them were racist... which doesn't give you much wiggle-room to defend them. But Nazi Germany went beyond simple racist ideology. They went about 11 MILLION steps beyond it.

I appreciate this conversation, entlassen. I believe it's important to always remember that YES the Germans weren't innately evil people. They weren't orcs, or demons. They were people. Well-educated, proud, industrial, every-day people. And in that sense, I find what happened even scarier.

But give it up, entlassen. You're defending the indefensible. You're backing yourself into corners that you can't possibly believe.

Nazi Germany deserves the place that history has given them. And they will stay there forever.