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Old 07-14-2008, 10:27 AM   #51
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Yeah, I don't recall McClane refusing in Die Hard. Didn't he just see the situation and jump right into action--even forgetting his shoes? Now there's a hero for you.
Actually, he is about to jump into action -- then sees how many baddies there are.

He then spends a few scenes fleeing and/or being scared of the bad guys. Or at least hiding from them. I think that's what set this "hero" apart from guys like Stallone / Arnold at the time. He wasn't a killing machine. He had fears and nervousness just like real folk.
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:32 AM   #52
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Actually, he is about to jump into action -- then sees how many baddies there are.

He then spends a few scenes fleeing and/or being scared of the bad guys. Or at least hiding from them. I think that's what set this "hero" apart from guys like Stallone / Arnold at the time. He wasn't a killing machine. He had fears and nervousness just like real folk.
I think what John did was probably DEBATED what was going on. In other words, he was weighing up the sitch bascially. That's a sort of refusal in a sense, with him finally committing to the action is him bascially climbing out his shell and dealing with what's going on.

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Old 07-14-2008, 10:53 AM   #53
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I am using this Hero Hybrid Structure Outline to help me organize my current project. So far, its really streamlining the process for me in great ways. Getting it down in the smaller bits like this enables me to write clearer, keeps my thoughts organized, and I don't feel like I have to keep "the whole story" in my head.

Normally, I have a gazillion notes written here, there, and everywhere. This outline has been a gift.

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Old 07-21-2008, 11:47 AM   #54
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McClane refused to save Holly by pulling the fire alarm so someone else could come and save her. When that didn't work, he had to do things himself.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:17 PM   #55
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McClane refused to save Holly by pulling the fire alarm so someone else could come and save her. When that didn't work, he had to do things himself.
Hmm...that's interesting.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:30 AM   #56
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Added to the original list the TIME CLOCK or TICKING CLOCK method, plus also fleshed out a little more the B-Plot.

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Old 11-24-2008, 04:36 AM   #57
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The best practical aplication/demonstration of this structure is the film:
TEAM AMERICA.

It's a scream - I highly recommend it
I'd even say every screenwriter should watch it at least once a week - if only to relieve some stress.
The face-changing scene - and the post mid-point love scene LOL
Beware - the south park team were involved...

But has anybody read the other structure method by Donna Anderson? called "The 1-3-5 Story Method".

It describes a structure that fits a fair few movies, but doesn't quite fit in with Vogler's/Snyders. Apparently she used to be a Hollywood reader, and her structure is the one she used to pass/reject scripts.

She also mentions a database not only of scripts but of writers also, and that if a writer's script gets a reject it's also possible for the writer of it to get a reject too, which reflects badly on their submission of future scripts.
Is she scare-mongering?

(I'd post a quick outline, but not sure if I'd be breaching copyright).

Here's the link http://www.movieinabox.com/135/135_book.htm


Thing is - how many other readers are singing from their own personal hymn sheets?
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:17 PM   #58
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She also mentions a database not only of scripts but of writers also, and that if a writer's script gets a reject it's also possible for the writer of it to get a reject too, which reflects badly on their submission of future scripts. Is she scare-mongering?
Who knows, but she provides a good example of why you often need to hit quite a few readers before even a good script gets a 'consider'.
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:18 PM   #59
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Very late to finding this thread... I found the debate over "refusal of the call" (to adventure, the inciting incident, etc.) very interesting.

To me it all comes down to CONFLICT. As we all know you must have conflict. Conflict is story. So when something major happens to our hero like the inciting incident... if they just accept it right off the bat IMO it is a missed opportunity for conflict. Even if it's just a few lines of dialogue before they give in it's a wonderful opportunity to show conflict, not to mention character. WHY doesn't your hero accept the call? The reason is a chance to show character as well as hit on your story's theme.

So while you don't HAVE to have your hero refuse the call -- especially for already established hero's like a James Bond -- it's almost always better for the story if you do. All IMO of course :-)

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Old 10-26-2009, 07:56 AM   #60
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Love this thread! Just what I need.

For me, right now, the hard part is
just coming up with a concept/premise
with a strong hook. I think I have it, then those
plot holes appear to tear it apart.

But once I figure all that out
I'm definitely trying the method EJ proposed.

My only concern is getting bogged down with
all the rules of when things are to happen. To
me, it's like the pro-golfer who is aware of all
the mechanics needed to make a perfect swing
but when it comes time to actually hit the ball
he/she clears the mind and just let it rip.

Not sure if that analogy makes any sense or not
but what I mean is creative energy should be allowed
to flow within the framework of course, of a pliable structure.
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