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Old 06-21-2018, 10:52 AM   #21
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It would seem obvious that this guy Carr has a full stable or whatever denigrating term you want to use, and he's just using the pay-up request to whittle down the applicants.
If he really wanted to whittle down potential clients, he'd just move to a referrals only system. This feels like a guy trying to keep the lights on.
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:39 PM   #22
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their input and replies. I'm not going to mention the name of the person I was referring to as it's obvious there are plenty out there. This business is like no other and for those who are legitimate and who charge for reading, I say: do what works for you. I personally won't be forking over the cash as I don't have it and email is free.

But on another note, the latest Scripts&Scribes podcast has Scott Carr talking about his reasons for charging to "read". I'll save my opinions and let you make your own.
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:26 PM   #23
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So, I watched that latest Scott Carr podcast, and while at a glance his reasons for charging for reads seemed to initially "make sense" due to all the confident razzle dazzle of his explanation - ultimately it just is not how it's done, nor should be.

Telling a writer to "put their money where their mouth is" and "prove their seriousness by being willing to spend money" is a dangerous, counterproductive, extremely unreasonable philosophy for this profession, as writers are already often treated quite poorly in the grand scheme of things. i.e. Writers will spend endless hours doing free labor for producers on the HOPES of getting paid at some point, while managers like Carr will probably tell them it's part of the process (it sadly is sometimes, but just making a point here) and accept it with a smile and thank you. Meanwhile it is in fact the producers who should "put their money where their mouth is" and "prove their seriousness by being willing to spend money" - not the writer.

I think his entire strategy and business model is incredibly toxic and sets a terrible standard for struggling and emerging writers.

For that matter, him saying he'd prefer to work with people who have financial independence, who don’t work other jobs, don’t have families, are very young, etc who can easily afford to throw money at contests, readers, trips, moves to LA, and so forth just stacks the deck against so many aspiring writers, and ensures that the only ones who can “make it” under such a model are what… 20-somethings with a trust fund? In addition to just being ridiculous, it seems almost certain to narrow the field down to young, white collar white males, as they are - statistically - more likely to fit that bill. And in an industry that desperately needs more women and minorities, less ageism, and more voices and representation from all walks of life... that's just not ideal at all. He's perpetuating a broken system, while somehow making it even worse by leaning into a predatory business model.

But, I suppose this WOULD be helpful to him to have clients of that nature, as he must not be getting them enough work, so he needs them to already have money in the bank, meanwhile he pays his own bills through “consulting fees”.

Smh.

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Old 06-22-2018, 02:54 AM   #24
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It must be an uncomfortable correspondence for him if he gets paid for a read and ultimately isn't into the script. "Sorry you paid all this money, but the script just isn't for me."
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Old 06-22-2018, 06:09 AM   #25
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It must be an uncomfortable correspondence for him if he gets paid for a read and ultimately isn't into the script. "Sorry you paid all this money, but the script just isn't for me."
For most of these situations, including contests/pitchfests etc., don't forget that the fee is for "access", not positive results or even any sort of helpful development notes.

Sometimes I feel pretty lucky: I'm just too darned poor these days to engage any of these services, and it hasn't stopped my output one iota. No doubt they contribute to my still being on the outside, looking in, but someday, ladies and gentlemen, someday...!
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Old 06-22-2018, 10:09 AM   #26
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For most of these situations, including contests/pitchfests etc., don't forget that the fee is for "access", not positive results or even any sort of helpful development notes.

Sometimes I feel pretty lucky: I'm just too darned poor these days to engage any of these services, and it hasn't stopped my output one iota. No doubt they contribute to my still being on the outside, looking in, but someday, ladies and gentlemen, someday...!

You'll get there.
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:17 PM   #27
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So, I watched that latest Scott Carr podcast, and while at a glance his reasons for charging for reads seemed to initially "make sense" due to all the confident razzle dazzle of his explanation - ultimately it just is not how it's done, nor should be.

Telling a writer to "put their money where their mouth is" and "prove their seriousness by being willing to spend money" is a dangerous, counterproductive, extremely unreasonable philosophy for this profession, as writers are already often treated quite poorly in the grand scheme of things. i.e. Writers will spend endless hours doing free labor for producers on the HOPES of getting paid at some point, while managers like Carr will probably tell them it's part of the process (it sadly is sometimes, but just making a point here) and accept it with a smile and thank you.
So the definition of a writer proving their seriousness is putting money into his pocket? Pretty funny. Lately there seems to be a proliferation of people looking to bank on writer's desperation.
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Old 06-23-2018, 12:14 PM   #28
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For that matter, him saying he'd prefer to work with people who have financial independence, who don’t work other jobs, don’t have families, are very young, etc who can easily afford to throw money at contests, readers, trips, moves to LA, and so forth just stacks the deck against so many aspiring writers, and ensures that the only ones who can “make it” under such a model are what… 20-somethings with a trust fund?
But he wants writers to work with a manager that has a second job as a READER.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:55 PM   #29
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Does he refund the $250 if he accepts you as a client?
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Old 06-23-2018, 06:43 PM   #30
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Does he refund the $250 if he accepts you as a client?
What??? $250 reading fee? Why should he accept anybody? Read just 4 scripts a day. Doing that 5 days a week is $5K a week, which is a quarter million a year FOR JUST READING SCRIPTS FROM WRITERS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO REPRESENT!!!
This guy is BRILLIANT!!!

Of course, that assumes the golden goose doesn't get wise...
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