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Old 04-21-2017, 01:26 PM   #1
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Default What's Hallmark, Lifetime Paying?

Can anyone give me an idea how much orgs like Hallmark/Lifetime/their prodcos are paying -- range or averages -- for holiday scripts? Does the 2 1/2% of budget rule-of-thumb for features apply here?

Many thanks.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:45 PM   #2
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Not sure, but Lifetime is supposedly re-branding and going away from the MOW format. My Manager sent them a really gritty Crime/Thriller (female-led) that I would have laughed in their face at sending to Lifetime 10 years ago.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:05 PM   #3
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based on my recent conversations with Bill Martell, not much! (like, a fraction of what they did pre-DVD crash)
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Old 04-22-2017, 11:16 AM   #4
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This sounds even lower than what I thought... anyone have any numbers? Thx.
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Old 04-22-2017, 05:45 PM   #5
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For originals that they make themselves they're held to WGA minimums since they're a signatory, which are very good, especially when you add in residuals for repeat runs.

But many of their MOWs are acquisitions from other companies which are non-signatories, and their payscales can be 10k or less for full script. This still might be about 2-3% of budget since total budgets on these can be under 300k.
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Old 04-22-2017, 10:17 PM   #6
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Thanks SPP.

Many of their Christmas movies are made from two companies in Canada that I'm guessing are not WGA signatories.

But this is one of those situations where for a newbie trying to break in with no rep -- you probably have to accept whatever is offered. Even with a rep, it doesn't sound like they can do much. Oh well...
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Old 04-27-2017, 08:20 PM   #7
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For originals that they make themselves they're held to WGA minimums since they're a signatory, which are very good, especially when you add in residuals for repeat runs.

But many of their MOWs are acquisitions from other companies which are non-signatories, and their payscales can be 10k or less for full script. This still might be about 2-3% of budget since total budgets on these can be under 300k.

Bingo to this^ I sold a script to one of there non signatory production companies and I got a 15K check pre taxes for a 400K budgeted movie. I'm not union so it is what it is but overall felt pretty shafted for a years worth of writing work.
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Re: ... $15,000 check...

The low dollars involved is why getting an agent is impossible. I'm familiar with a couple of holiday script writing specialists and they don't have reps. But they've been writing for a few years now so it must be somewhat lucrative.

Still, I already know now I'm not going to say "no" when it happens.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:41 PM   #9
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Re: ... $15,000 check...

The low dollars involved is why getting an agent is impossible. I'm familiar with a couple of holiday script writing specialists and they don't have reps. But they've been writing for a few years now so it must be somewhat lucrative.

Still, I already know now I'm not going to say "no" when it happens.
I almost got involved in a Hallmark holiday movie that would have paid ~$30k for three steps (over four or five months). I know that some pay more and some pay less. I was advised by basically everyone that these things do nothing to advance your career-- but of course, if you're broke, money is money.
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:38 PM   #10
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If you don't have a rep, how did you first get in touch with Hallmark? I'm using a prodco that makes some of the movies for them.
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