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This is why I propose Gerard Butler for the new, improved John Shaft. http://celebsleatherjackets.com/289-...ler-jacket.jpg I mean, what does his skin color matter? It's 2015. |
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Bond doesn't. To a point, it HAD class woven into its fabric, but not so much anymore. To the extent that it still does, it's entirely believable that a black actor playing a modern-day 007 would be class-appropriate. |
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Yes, Fleming could have easily objected to the idea of a black man in the role. And if he did, he would have had to provide a logical explanation as to why that that was the case. As it stands, there wouldn't be any beyond a preference for Bond just looking a certain way on the exterior. But to my knowledge, I've never heard of Fleming specifically stating a preference for Bond's whiteness. Only his British nationality. And I don't care if Bond's Scottish family background or "coat of arms" did play a strong role in SkyFall. It hasn't played a strong role in the vast majority of other Bond installments, and with a reboot it could easily go without mention, because it doesn't play an important role in his job or who he is as a person. You know what? Here's a comparison for you. The character of Storm in the X-Men comics is typically portrayed as a black woman. Her backstory is that she is a princess from a tribe in Kenya. But you know what? I don't recall a single time her backstory has come up in any of the movies. It just isn't perceived as that important to who she is. So I wouldn't find it outrageous for someone to propose her being cast with a white actress. That said -- certain existing conditions have to be taken into account. Like the fact that there are a miniscule number of black female comic book heroines in the movies. So while I wouldn't find it outrageous, I would understand why some black people would be unhappy with it. But at the same time, this type of recasting is within the realm of possibility. I hope this clarifies things for you.
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Now if you take another character like Blade, who is not defined by his race at all, I could easily see him being recast as a white guy. Mickey Rourke and Jason Statham come to mind as tough guys who would make good choices. That said, I think it's obvious that with the abundance of white male superhero characters in movies, people would find that annoying, if not troublesome. It's the same reason that people would be annoyed if a female superhero like Wonder Woman were recast as a man. There's an imbalance in the proportion of female to male superheroes in film. If you can't see why this would be problematic, then you're clueless. Quote:
If there was a movie about a random black guy killing random white people for fun, no one would support it, including black people. To assume that would be the case is frankly offensive.
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![]() I'll start with this 'cause there's actually no crap to avoid. The only thing to avoid is narrow-mindedness 'cause (in reference to your second post on this subject) there is no "cultural rift" involved with James Bond being black.
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Pick another battler when debating the non-issue of Idris Elba playing James Bond and artistic integrity. |
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Okay, find me some Hollywood movies where the central gimmick involves a white hero killing blacks. Bonus points if that white actor later got up on a stage and joked about how great it was that he killed all the black people in the movie. 60words: Both Bond and Shaft had definite racial identities. The difference is that Bond's is less explicit than Shaft's. That doesn't mean that the identity isn't there or that it doesn't matter. UpandComing: That's right, nationality is different from ethnicity. That's how a black person can live in Scotland without being ethnically Scottish, or live in Japan without being ethnically Japanese. And since Bond's lineage is Scottish and French by ethnicity but English by nationality, you just kind of undermined your own argument, as Bond is of Scottish and French blood, which means he's white by definition. |
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![]() How has Bond's racial identity ever mattered in relation to the story and themes, and ESPECIALLY in relation to a present-day Bond?
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