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Old 06-05-2017, 05:37 PM   #11
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Nah, I was being mostly serious. Why should women have to shave their pits when I don't? It's no wonder boys grow up thinking female body hair doesn't exist.

This Wonder Woman does serve as a good symbol of feminism and hope though, so refreshing after two Superman films where he's just a horny douche. I still think there are too many superhero films but when done right they mean so much. The great heroes give children something to believe in and aspire to. The Christopher Reeve Superman made kids believe in truth, justice and the American way back when the American way was something to aspire to. I'm glad that the young girls of a new generation got a hero they could aspire to.
I haven't seen "Superman Returns", but I didn't get the impression in "Man Of Steel" & "Batman vs Superman" that Clark was a horny douche. To me, he was just lonely.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:45 PM   #12
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See, that's kind of what I was getting at in my comments. The film could have gone either way: it could have drilled down into identity politics to get the SJW crowd, along with doing things like you suggest. Or it could have gone broad. It went broad, and that was the smart move, because with a movie called "Wonder Woman," the SJW audience is a lock anyway, so it made itself appealing to other audiences as well by not being so in-your-face with a certain kind of political agenda.
A lesson the people that worked on the car crash a.k.a the Ghostbusters 2016 reboot should have learned. Obviously, they didn't.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:23 PM   #13
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A lesson the people that worked on the car crash a.k.a the Ghostbusters 2016 reboot should have learned. Obviously, they didn't.
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Old 06-06-2017, 02:55 PM   #14
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Writing-wise (and acting-wise, really), I think the most impressive thing was how they balanced Diana's strength and confidence with her naivete and innocence. That's a tough needle to thread and they did a great job with it.

It takes a special kind of skill to create a complex hero without pushing them in a dark/damaged/brooding direction. It's something I've always appreciated about the MCU's treatment of Captain America, and was disappointed by in the DCU's lastest version of Superman. It's great that they were able to find that with Diana.

There's a sort of fundamental respect for the character, that they "got" her and were able to avoid the more annoying superhero character missteps AND the worst of the Strong Female Character(tm) tropes.

Over all, I thought it was just a pretty good superhero movie (which is no small thing - I like superhero movies). But when you dive into it, the treatment of the character is executed exceptionally well.
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:28 AM   #15
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I find nearly all superhero movies insufferable and childish. Most of them offer a fundamentally dishonest take on the world. Most of the people who make them are not talented. You know, I can't really think of one I've ever liked off the top of my head.

Having said that, I thought this was a good, not quite great movie.
90% of it was really, really good. Could have transcended the genre.
10% of it was nonsense.
3/4 stars

Pros: Gal Gadot was awesome. I've seen so many movies lately where the lead(s) were miscast, I'm almost surprised when the casting decisions are done right anymore. The movie was funny too. There was a nice contrast between the idealism of the girl and the pragmatism of the world she encounters. The slow scenes in the middle never felt slow, they were often funny or endearing without trying too hard. Perhaps best of all, I liked the way the conflict continually progressed in scope as the film moved along.

Negatives: There were two huge negatives for me. One, the action scenes often caused the movie to plod. How often can you say that? Some of the action was great, but then there were so many damn slow motion shots of bullets and mortars and whatever else. How many times in one ****ing movie can you stop the camera and zoom in close on someone in slow motion jumping up in the air, bullets whizzing past them, shooting three arrows from a bow? Or take a gun and shoot it sideways without looking? That was by far the most irritating and tilting aspect of the entire movie. Second, the hero doesn't have any weakness. Not a single one--she can do whatever she wants in the entire movie and succeeds from fade in to fade out. To me, Superman is a stupid movie. Almost always these kinds of movies are stupid movies, and kryptonite-as-the-Achilles-heel is the most stupid of all the stupid weaknesses you could ever come up with for a character, because it's not intrinsic to his or her person. It's just a random weakness...but you know what? At least the writer understood that the main character should have a weakness. The main character in this movie does not have one.

This happened with Rey in the last Star Wars movie too...how come these badass female leads have no weaknesses? They just succeed at whatever they want to do and nobody is going to stop them. I'm all for having female leads in action movies. And I want to see them kick butt and succeed, I really do. I just want to see them get kicked a little bit first and get dirty. Make them earn it. Then we (the audience) feel like we earned it too. But I'm just not seeing it these last couple movies I've seen. It feels like escapist porn if you ask me.

Anyway, those were my two biggest issues with the movie. The "too perfect" characters thing could apply to the male lead too--he could have used more edge.

But anyway, it was still a good movie, the 10% of comic book roll-my-eye moments not withstanding. If you want to watch it make sure you watch it on the big screen, because I don't think it would be as fun at home.
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Old 06-11-2017, 08:30 AM   #16
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Most of the people who make them are not talented.
Richard Donner, Tim Burton, Sam Raimi, Bryan Singer, Guillermo del Toro, Christopher Nolan, Jon Favreau, Shane Black and Joss Whedon to name a few have all done brilliant work outside of the superhero genre.

Even Joel Schumacher did Falling Down and The Lost Boys. The films may not be to your taste but to say that most of these filmmakers are talentless is utterly ridiculous.
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Old 06-11-2017, 01:45 PM   #17
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This Wonder Woman does serve as a good symbol of feminism and hope though, so refreshing after two Superman films where he's just a horny douche. I still think there are too many superhero films but when done right they mean so much. The great heroes give children something to believe in and aspire to. The Christopher Reeve Superman made kids believe in truth, justice and the American way back when the American way was something to aspire to. I'm glad that the young girls of a new generation got a hero they could aspire to.
Nice. Makes me want to go see it.
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Old 06-11-2017, 09:38 PM   #18
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Fair enough, but her physique still looked more natural than those of many of the other Amazons, and certainly more natural than recent DC animated depictions of the character, which have gone halfway towards female-bodybuilder/MMA-fighter grotesquerie.

IMO, DC made a good choice not going for a Diana with that kind of extreme look, or making Gadot turn herself into that, but rather keeping to a more broadly appealing, vaguely Classical physique.
Who cares about her physique, Gal is a former Israeli soldier, so if that isn't a enough to play WW, then well...
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:54 PM   #19
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Who cares about her physique, Gal is a former Israeli soldier, so if that isn't a enough to play WW, then well...
Agree. If she has powers then being ripped is really moot and would actually lack credibility.
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:47 AM   #20
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Agree. If she has powers then being ripped is really moot and would actually lack credibility.
I actually wonder this with Superman. If he's supernaturally strong, where is he finding enough resistance to build up all those extra muscles?
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